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2020-12-09 12:30:38 <Solid> I dunno, the StackSet is what the zipper that's at the heart of xmonad is called
2020-12-09 12:30:49 <Solid> I guess they did *not* want to call it SlaveSet ;)
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2020-12-09 12:48:14 <mc47> GitHub will open discussions for public repositories! https://github.blog/2020-05-06-new-from-satellite-2020-github-codespaces-github-discussions-securing-code-in-private-repositories-and-more/#discussions
2020-12-09 12:48:40 <mc47> Liskni_si this might be the best alternative to IRC and bridges
2020-12-09 12:49:51 <Liskni_si> mc47: I keep thinking of GitHub Discussions as an alternative to mailing lists and phpBBs and Discourses, rather than as an alternative to IRC/Matrix/Slack/Discord
2020-12-09 12:51:12 <mc47> Well yeah, IRC could be still used for "chatting", but if someone has a problem or wants to discuss something, it looks as a suitable place
2020-12-09 12:51:24 <Liskni_si> yes
2020-12-09 12:52:27 <mc47> Could we somehow enable it?
2020-12-09 12:54:08 <Liskni_si> only admin members of https://github.com/xmonad/ can do that
2020-12-09 12:55:24 <mc47> If no one of the admins drops by, I'll open an issue and see what people think :)
2020-12-09 12:56:25 <Solid> I with people would like mailing lists more :/
2020-12-09 12:56:29 <Solid> s/with/wish/
2020-12-09 12:58:15 <mc47> I probably only started using emails to communicate when I started university, so I guess it feels too "formal" for me
2020-12-09 12:58:36 <Liskni_si> the problem with mailing lists is that the vast majority of e-mail clients just aren't optimized for that kind of experience
2020-12-09 12:58:51 <Solid> I think that feeling goes away after you've been subscribed to some mailing lists for a while
2020-12-09 12:59:03 <Solid> I also did not really use mail before uni
2020-12-09 12:59:17 <Solid> Liskni_si: I suspect that's the real reason yes...
2020-12-09 12:59:17 <Liskni_si> took me several days to upgrade my mutt to send correctly format=flowed mails and display HTML mails with correct encodings and so on
2020-12-09 12:59:25 <Liskni_si> that's an investment most people aren't willing to make
2020-12-09 12:59:41 <Liskni_si> and Google/Microsoft isn't going to change the direction either
2020-12-09 12:59:58 <Solid> You can get a pretty decent experience with just notmuch and emacs ootb
2020-12-09 13:00:05 <Liskni_si> so most people use clients optimized for forwarding word documents and pictures of cats to one another
2020-12-09 13:00:15 <Liskni_si> and there's no way we're going to be able to change that
2020-12-09 13:00:18 <Liskni_si> we need to adapt.
2020-12-09 13:00:37 <Solid> we could move to sourcehut... :>
2020-12-09 13:00:47 <mc47> setting up an email client has been on my bucket list for more than a year, and it seems that it'll stay that way... :) it doesn't feel worth it
2020-12-09 13:01:13 <Liskni_si> Solid: it's quite possible github discussions lets you opt-in to a mailing-list like experience
2020-12-09 13:01:18 <Liskni_si> Discourse can do that
2020-12-09 13:01:25 <Liskni_si> GitHub Issues/PRs can almost do that
2020-12-09 13:01:28 <Solid> Liskni_si: github hates e-mail
2020-12-09 13:01:38 <Liskni_si> oh it most certainly does not
2020-12-09 13:01:40 <Solid> it doesn't even render markdown when you send it through email
2020-12-09 13:01:59 <Liskni_si> or maybe somewhat, but certainly less than the industry average :-)
2020-12-09 13:02:03 <Solid> it completely ignores even inline attachments
2020-12-09 13:02:23 <Liskni_si> oh, that's unfortunate :-/
2020-12-09 13:02:45 <fizzie> I had an almost-reasonable mutt setup where I could compose emails in Markdown, and the email would be sent as a multipart thing with the markdown source as text/plain and a pandoc conversion into text/html as the other half. Think replying was a bit of an issue though.
2020-12-09 13:03:11 <Liskni_si> fizzie: yeah I have exactly that now as well
2020-12-09 13:03:29 <Solid> mc47: Hey, my e-mail setup is not even 300 lines of elisp :P
2020-12-09 13:03:38 <Liskni_si> fizzie: but I send so few e-mails I have no idea whether it works or not :-)
2020-12-09 13:03:49 <mc47> Solid if I'm doing it, it's definitely gonna be in emacs
2020-12-09 13:05:12 <fizzie> Heh, yeah, the only emails I send from there are about-monthly "we're still alive" updates to family. Nobody's complained so far, but maybe they wouldn't anyway.
2020-12-09 13:05:57 <Solid> why not just send plain text only?
2020-12-09 13:06:27 <Liskni_si> gmail/outlook365 tend to mess up inline replies
2020-12-09 13:07:07 <Liskni_si> as long as you only top-post (which the netiquette says you shouldn't), text/plain probably works fine
2020-12-09 13:07:22 <Solid> huh interesting, no one's complained about that to me yet
2020-12-09 13:07:32 <Solid> so I guess these people learned to live with it :>
2020-12-09 13:07:53 <Liskni_si> or they think you're the stupid old grandpa who hits send before writing anything
2020-12-09 13:08:01 <Solid> :D
2020-12-09 13:08:07 <Liskni_si> not kidding.
2020-12-09 13:08:21 <Solid> I mean the reply to me obviously
2020-12-09 13:09:47 <Solid> and I can see in their reply (sadly, most people top-post nowadays and don't delete anything that I send) that it got through correctly
2020-12-09 13:14:56 <Liskni_si> :-)
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2020-12-09 14:24:55 <Liskni_si> byorgey, geekosaur: What do you guys think I should do with changes to modules maintained by people awol for years? Shall I open PRs and wait if one of you review it, shall I just push do master? I feel like we might get the community more active if we clarify these expectations... perhaps even add more people to the xmonad org. Solid (@slotThe) would be my first candidate.
2020-12-09 14:27:44 <geekosaur> more people would be a plus given the monolith (which I still think is not that good an idea, in part for this reason)
2020-12-09 14:28:13 <geekosaur> you get too much bitrot when all the contribs are lumped together in one place
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2020-12-09 14:29:50 <Liskni_si> yeah, anyone listed as a maintainer of a module should be able to push
2020-12-09 14:30:22 <Liskni_si> we're a small community, people will probably have enough common sense to not do anything crazy :-)
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