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2021-03-18 16:23:43 <geekosaur> that said, if you're into eye candy then xscreensaver is eye candy: the screensaver
2021-03-18 16:23:49 <Solid> :D
2021-03-18 16:24:27 <Solid> I do use slock myself but I was wary of imposing my preferences onto the tutorial (not that I was particularly successful with that, though)
2021-03-18 16:26:12 <geekosaur> nothing wrong with providing multiple examples
2021-03-18 16:26:22 <fizzie> (`xss-lock -l -- xsecurelock` is my norm, but I think that's probably in the minority.)
2021-03-18 16:31:05 <Liskni_si> I have no idea how slock works internally but most linux screensavers have a history of unlocking themselves whenever you let your kids/cat near the computer, so I'd vote for xsecurelock if we want to recommend anything particular
2021-03-18 16:31:42 <Solid> It's really just used as a way to introduce keybindings and the like
2021-03-18 16:31:48 <Liskni_si> jwz is very vocal about xscreensaver being better than the others, but I'm somewhat convinced it's not
2021-03-18 16:31:57 <Solid> so we can also just drop it in favour of another commonly used application
2021-03-18 16:34:12 <Solid> Liskni_si: slock itself is like 500 lines, so probably very auditable; though I don't think anyone has done that yet
2021-03-18 16:34:56 <geekosaur> slock's had some pretty infamous failures already
2021-03-18 16:35:04 <Solid> hah, nice
2021-03-18 16:35:17 <geekosaur> like, it used to give up and pretend to lock if anything had an active grab when it was run
2021-03-18 16:36:41 <geekosaur> also xscreensaver should be pretty auditable, since the saver modules are all external programs run by a small core
2021-03-18 16:38:31 <geekosaur> whether it's "better" than the others is open to question, but it's reasonably battle-tested and jwz generally knows his stuff
2021-03-18 16:39:02 <Liskni_si> auditable is great in theory but history tells us that running the password entry in the main locker process will sooner or later lead to someone managing to crash it
2021-03-18 16:39:07 <geekosaur> as for unlocking when you let kids/cat near your computer, how much of that is self-inflicted? I see too many people who use lousy passwords "because they get in the way"
2021-03-18 16:39:36 <Liskni_si> I'm fairly certain my faulty keyboard didn't type my password
2021-03-18 16:39:45 <Liskni_si> it just crashed the xscreensaver password entry
2021-03-18 16:40:44 <geekosaur> wow. jwz should know better than that
2021-03-18 16:40:58 <Liskni_si> it could be a dep or something
2021-03-18 16:41:26 <Liskni_si> I never got to actually trying to reproduce it, as the lenovo technician took the faulty hardware away
2021-03-18 16:41:45 <Liskni_si> so I'd have to spin up a VM a try all sorts of stuff and hope I stumble upon something
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2021-03-18 17:13:18 <mc47> Would someone set the labels here? https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/482
2021-03-18 17:13:31 <mc47> Most importantly: the good first issue label :D
2021-03-18 17:14:50 <mc47> which I just realized we don't have lol (we have good-first-bug)
2021-03-18 17:15:50 <geekosaur> yeh, which is what I settled on
2021-03-18 17:17:15 <mc47> which wouldn't quite work because that's an actual feature
2021-03-18 17:17:18 <mc47> oh well, good enough
2021-03-18 17:17:53 <geekosaur> we also don't have a proper entry at level 9 (needs: implementation :)
2021-03-18 17:18:19 <Liskni_si> geekosaur: what about adding mc47 to contributors so that he can add the labels himself? :-)
2021-03-18 17:20:49 <geekosaur> let's see if I can figure out how to do that… :)
2021-03-18 17:21:42 <geekosaur> found it
2021-03-18 17:23:13 <mc47> awesome! Thanks
2021-03-18 17:23:50 <Guest40> what distro you guys use?
2021-03-18 17:23:58 <Guest40> with + xmonad
2021-03-18 17:24:42 <mc47> I'm using manjaro, and using xmonad together with KDE
2021-03-18 17:24:54 <geekosaur> ubuntu focal, xmonad + mate
2021-03-18 17:25:05 <Liskni_si> debian here
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2021-03-18 17:49:31 <qbit2821> how does KDE work together with xmonad? I keep going back and forth between the two :)
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2021-03-18 17:56:36 <Guest62> Liskni_si stable?
2021-03-18 17:56:40 <Guest62> debian stable?
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2021-03-18 17:58:19 <mc47> qbit2821 I have an xmonad.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions/, where I set Exec=env KDEWM=/home/yecinem/.xmonad/xmonad-x86_64-linux /usr/bin/startplasma-x11
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2021-03-18 17:59:45 <mc47> I also have a small function to hide/show this file $HOME/.config/autostart/org.kde.plasmashell.desktop to prevent plasmashell from starting
2021-03-18 18:00:17 <mc47> it's all very brittle though, didn't have the time (or patience) to touch it once it was working
2021-03-18 18:00:33 <qbit2821> mc47 alright, thanks. I'll probably try it out after my exams this week. Would love to get it working
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2021-03-18 18:03:00 <everythingTaken> why no one use nixos here?
2021-03-18 18:03:07 <everythingTaken> seems like a good fit for xmonad?
2021-03-18 18:04:07 <Solid> people probably do
2021-03-18 18:04:12 <Solid> nix is quite popular with haskell people
2021-03-18 18:04:26 <Solid> I have a machine that I play around with that has nix on it, though my heart still lies with void
2021-03-18 18:04:31 <everythingTaken> hey Solid, wassup
2021-03-18 18:04:41 <Solid> hai hai
2021-03-18 18:04:54 <Solid> everythingTaken: try the new tutorial and tell me what you think :D
2021-03-18 18:05:14 <Solid> ( https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/278 )
2021-03-18 18:05:16 <everythingTaken> I tried NixOs remember me? we talked in void channel
2021-03-18 18:05:23 <Solid> oooh yes
2021-03-18 18:05:37 <Solid> small world :)
2021-03-18 18:07:44 <mc47> everythingTaken tbh I haven't had time to play around with my setup much, it was a miracle that it worked
2021-03-18 18:07:46 <everythingTaken> wow, very comprehensive, can I read it in text format instead of git commit before it's merged?
2021-03-18 18:07:48 <mc47> I'll probably give it a go
2021-03-18 18:08:06 <everythingTaken> mc47: mine worked too except one thing: firefox
2021-03-18 18:08:25 <everythingTaken> there's an issue opened in nixpkgs back in dec 2020 still open
2021-03-18 18:08:35 <everythingTaken> it freezes momentariliy
2021-03-18 18:08:37 <mc47> everythingTaken here's the formatted tutorial https://github.com/slotThe/xmonad/blob/new-tutorial/tutorial.md
2021-03-18 18:09:28 <Solid> mc47: the modules not linking is very strange indeed
2021-03-18 18:09:40 <Solid> pandoc can do it, so it has to be how github interprets the document
2021-03-18 18:09:46 <Solid> :/
2021-03-18 18:10:35 <everythingTaken> mc47: Solid I am by no means complete beginner with XMonad, but this is really nice! But what I liked about it, it explains what $ and other things are, which before I simply copy pasted from someone elses config
2021-03-18 18:10:52 <geekosaur> size limit on []?
2021-03-18 18:11:20 <everythingTaken> Solid: do you happen to have firefox on your nixos machine?
2021-03-18 18:11:46 <Solid> everythingTaken: I do yes
2021-03-18 18:15:28 <everythingTaken> Solid: so, I installed nixos, it's glorious. I mean configuration.nix + home manager all I need for setup. Some abstract magic goes behind the scenes and complicates things a bit, while in general Void/Arch everything almost transparent/understandable/straight customizable. It's all good until Firefox has problems where it momentarily freezes https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/106018 I tried
2021-03-18 18:15:30 <everythingTaken> their IRC + Discord and issue is still open in github. I would love to go back to it if I can fix it. Sorry to post this on #xmonad
2021-03-18 18:16:13 <Solid> huh interesting
2021-03-18 18:16:23 <Solid> never had this happen to me :o
2021-03-18 18:17:00 <everythingTaken> Solid: maybe you didn't notice, can you check going to preferences and scrolling up and down if the machine is in hand reach
2021-03-18 18:17:42 <Solid> everythingTaken: I currently don't have access to that machine, but once I do I'll test this asap and ?tell you
2021-03-18 18:17:51 <everythingTaken> THanks man
2021-03-18 18:20:00 <everythingTaken> In one hand NixOs feels very robust, on the other hand messy (?)
2021-03-18 18:21:21 <everythingTaken> I like Debian too, but packages in stable is just so outdated and arch/void is probably better than debian testing/sid
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