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2020-12-12 13:02:12	<nova>	I have a weird question
2020-12-12 13:04:22	<nova>	In my winder manager, I always map F{1,2,3} to xdotool click {1,2,3} because touchpads, and it's really convenient. But xdotool doesn't work with context menus. Is there a way to inject a real mouse click with xmonad somehow?
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2020-12-12 13:14:40	<geekosaur>	context menus usually do grabs; nothing can be injected by anything
2020-12-12 13:15:30	<geekosaur>	not even with the XTEST extension which would (with security implications) let you inject real instead of virtual events
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2020-12-12 13:17:42	<geekosaur>	hm, XTEST might allow it at that; that'd be one of the security implications. but it can't be turned on only for certain programs, only for the server as a whole
2020-12-12 13:18:11	<nova>	Muuwwaahehehehehhh. MUWWAAHEHEHEHEHEHH. I found a pot of gold. https://shallowsky.com/blog/tags/xmodmap/
2020-12-12 13:21:51	<nova>	and it's even better than xdotool's click because you can hold mouse down by holding down F1.
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2020-12-12 14:17:03	<geekosaur>	is the person who reported an issue with FadeWindows and picom around? we need more information. https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/419
2020-12-12 14:17:41	<geekosaur>	my initial guess as to the problem is wrong and someone doing a quick test couldn't reproduce it
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2020-12-12 14:28:28	<Solid>	?tell ybenel r.e. FadeInactive not working: can you try the minimal config in the following issue https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/419 and see if this works for you?
2020-12-12 14:28:28	<lambdabot>	Consider it noted.
2020-12-12 14:28:43	<Solid>	oh they are here even
2020-12-12 14:37:36	<dminuoso>	What's the actual mechanism how an application requests a window? Would the application connect to the X server as a client, and then speak ICCCM to the window manager?
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2020-12-12 14:39:21	<geekosaur>	not sure if I understand the question.
2020-12-12 14:40:33	<geekosaur>	an application connects to the X server and does an XCreateWindow call with the parent being the root window. ICCCM comes in with respect to MapRequest or ConfigureRequest events on the window afterward
2020-12-12 14:41:42	<geekosaur>	like most tiling window managers, we ignore ConfigureRequest and do it during MapRequest. this is technically wrong but supported for backward compatibility by X servers
2020-12-12 14:44:14	<Solid>	ah geekosaur I figured it out; the original bug report was for FadeWindows and I just looked at that module and the documentation is just wrong...
2020-12-12 14:44:54	<Solid>	it tells you to do `composeAll [isUnfocused --> transparency 0.2, opaque]`, but `composeAll = mconcat` so it just goes through the list, matches on the wildcard, and turns everything opaqe
2020-12-12 14:45:02	<Solid>	s/opaqe/opaque/
2020-12-12 14:45:57	<geekosaur>	pretty sure that doc has been overhauled at least once with respect to ordering
2020-12-12 14:48:04	<Solid>	a quick git blame shows no edits in that region ever since the module was introduced
2020-12-12 14:48:15	<Solid>	maybe composeAll was defined differently in the past?
2020-12-12 14:48:24	<Solid>	I haven't been using xmonad long enough to say
2020-12-12 14:48:43	<dminuoso>	geekosaur: Ah I see
2020-12-12 14:53:30	<geekosaur>	Solid, afaik its always been mconcat with the only difference being presence or absence of additional type constraints
2020-12-12 14:53:53	<Solid>	huh, interesting
2020-12-12 14:54:29	<Solid>	I'll submit a doc fix if you don't mind, maybe that was ybenel's only problem
2020-12-12 14:54:50	<geekosaur>	I don't recall at this point whether I ever actually used FadeWindows, I switched to compton and used its mechanisms instead
2020-12-12 14:55:12	<geekosaur>	granting that xcompmgr was so buggy that it would have been hard to tell if it was working right ;)
2020-12-12 14:55:34	<geekosaur>	(also had an emergency keybinding to kill xcompmgr because it kept going into infinite loops)
2020-12-12 14:57:01	<Solid>	that sounds... like an adenturous time :D
2020-12-12 14:57:13	<Solid>	s/aden/adven/
2020-12-12 14:58:45	<dminuoso>	geekosaur: Do you know of any good resources that would walk me through how everything fits together? Or is it just "read tronche's manuals"?
2020-12-12 14:59:25	<geekosaur>	even tronche's manuals aren't enough. you pretty much have to have the code to a window manager ope for reference
2020-12-12 14:59:36	<geekosaur>	althoguh there are a few references out there now
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2020-12-12 15:38:50	<Liskni_si>	Solid: last time I checked composeAll did the last thing first
2020-12-12 15:39:05	<Liskni_si>	That is, the last endo on windowset
2020-12-12 15:39:16	<Liskni_si>	Ops in X are done top to bottom
2020-12-12 15:39:26	<Liskni_si>	It's quite confusing
2020-12-12 15:44:21	<Solid>	Liskni_si: yes (<>) for Endo is just (.), so mconcat should match bottom to top, as function composition is right-associative
2020-12-12 15:44:32	<Solid>	I probably said it wrong above
2020-12-12 15:47:03	<Solid>	oh but there's more
2020-12-12 15:47:14	<Solid>	we're not even dealing with ManageHooks here, we're dealing with FadeHooks
2020-12-12 15:47:32	<Solid>	which are not written in terms of endomorphisms, but simply ignore the left argument if there's a right one
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2020-12-12 16:55:48	<geekosaur>	there may be a more fundamental bug i FadeHooks since I nwas basically copying code without knowing exactly what I was doing at the time
2020-12-12 16:56:09	<geekosaur>	I didn't intend simply throwing away effects but may not have enough there to do what I did intend
2020-12-12 16:58:48	<Solid>	I think the model still fits; a FadeHook is solely there to specify the opacity of a certain window, so stopping after having found a match seems reasonable enough to me
2020-12-12 17:10:45	<Liskni_si>	that behaviour can be obtained by telling people to use composeOne :-)
2020-12-12 17:11:08	<Liskni_si>	maybe that's unnecessary complication though :-)
2020-12-12 17:17:12	<geekosaur>	combining FadeHooks is complication already, tbh
2020-12-12 17:18:03	<geekosaur>	combining, say, transience and some per-app hook was a case I was trying to support, but didn't like what I came up with (not that it would have worked anyway)
2020-12-12 17:25:10	<Solid>	Liskni_si: composeOne in its current state requires a `Query (Maybe (Endo WindowSet))`, which is a far cry from what a FadeHook actually is
2020-12-12 17:29:59	<Liskni_si>	Solid: oh, right
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