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2026-03-17 14:25:41 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Yeah it generates the markov chain tar pit once at startup and then feeds it to the bots in the quickest way possible
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2026-03-17 17:17:34 <thresh3> Has anyone used algebraic effects in production Haskell? Curious how they compare to mtl-style monad transformers in practice.
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2026-03-17 17:43:34 <newmind> if they would've stuck around, yes, i have
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2026-03-17 17:54:15 <mesaoptimizer> I'm attempting to replicate a research artifact that uses python and shell scripts as part of its multi-step process of creating stateful partial artifacts. I am considering using Haskell instead of python. I'm considering between Shake and Shelly. `typed-process` made me wary due to its complexity and because it made me realized how terribly designed the `process` library is.
2026-03-17 17:55:49 <mesaoptimizer> Shake would allow determinstic checking of previous artifacts, and an incremental build of new replicated artifacts with automatic checkpointing in each 'phase' of the process. Shelley however seems like a more straightforward 'shell script' / 'python script' replacement.
2026-03-17 17:56:17 <mesaoptimizer> Here's Shake: https://shakebuild.com/ and here's Shelly: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/shelly for context.
2026-03-17 17:56:55 <geekosaur> shake is probably best thought of as a make replacement, not a shell script replacement
2026-03-17 17:57:48 <geekosaur> if you want to run stuff, shelly (or turtle or shh) is probably what you want. if complex dependencies is the big issue, shake is probably what you want
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2026-03-17 18:00:32 <mesaoptimizer> I think I'll look into shake more, simply because this is a multi-step pipeline of running scripts on partially processed versions of the final research artifact
2026-03-17 18:01:05 <mesaoptimizer> it seems to call for idempotence and crash-resilience, imo. But if I feel like shake is too complex, I'll start off with shelly.
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2026-03-17 18:05:55 <haskellbridge> <sm> shake is excellent for dependencies, and also its shell EDSL is excellent (I don't know shelly enough to compare it)
2026-03-17 18:07:37 <mesaoptimizer> useful to know, thank you
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