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2021-05-25 11:53:39 <boxscape> If I have to keep comparing suffixes of a bunch of short (~20 characters) Text values, would it be wise to reverse them and compare prefixes instead?
2021-05-25 11:53:49 <boxscape> (i.e. Data.Text.Text)
2021-05-25 11:54:39 <tomsmeding> boxscape: element indexing is O(1) on a Text, so that shouldn't matter at all -- in fact the additional reverse will likely make it a bit slower :)
2021-05-25 11:54:53 <boxscape> tomsmeding okay, thanks
2021-05-25 11:54:58 <tomsmeding> (due to the fact that you're calling an additional function -- namely reverse)
2021-05-25 11:55:02 <boxscape> right
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2021-05-25 12:08:55 <merijn> tomsmeding: It's not, though :p
2021-05-25 12:09:22 <tomsmeding> lazy/strict text you mean?
2021-05-25 12:09:35 dminuoso waits for the O(sqrt(n)) argument
2021-05-25 12:09:44 <merijn> No, I mean that Text does not have O(1) element indexing for any sensible notion of element
2021-05-25 12:10:01 <dminuoso> Oh
2021-05-25 12:10:02 <opqdonut> is Text utf-8 internally?
2021-05-25 12:10:02 <merijn> Naah, not the silly O(sqrt(n)) argument
2021-05-25 12:10:06 <merijn> No
2021-05-25 12:10:11 <dminuoso> opqdonut: its utf16
2021-05-25 12:10:14 <dminuoso> Sadly. :)
2021-05-25 12:10:16 <opqdonut> right well yeah
2021-05-25 12:10:19 <tomsmeding> opqdonut: a number of people are currently working very hard to make text utf-8 :p
2021-05-25 12:10:19 <merijn> And that's mostly irrelevant, tbh
2021-05-25 12:10:27 <opqdonut> no constant-time indexing since it's not constant-width
2021-05-25 12:10:37 <merijn> The value of UTF-8 Text is overrated, imo
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2021-05-25 12:10:52 <dminuoso> Until you want to interface with other libraries
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2021-05-25 12:11:02 <dminuoso> via ffi
2021-05-25 12:11:09 <tomsmeding> merijn: okay very good point. However, for suffix equality checking, you only need the (perhaps non-sensible) notion of element that is "a two-byte unit"
2021-05-25 12:11:11 <int-e> merijn: oh, the one about energy flow through a surface?
2021-05-25 12:11:23 <merijn> opqdonut: Even with constant-width unicode it's no clear to me if it'd be O(1), because of weird stuff like combining characters and various weirdness of unicode
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2021-05-25 12:11:45 <opqdonut> merijn: oh right, sure. O(1) to access the nth codepoint, but that's mostly not what people want
2021-05-25 12:11:48 <tomsmeding> (which would make my conclusion correct but my argument wrong)
2021-05-25 12:11:54 <opqdonut> but some variation of nth character
2021-05-25 12:12:02 <dminuoso> int-e: its not about energy flow, but rather the combined argument of the speed of light and that the maximum amount of entropy of a given space is limited by its surface, not its volume.
2021-05-25 12:12:04 <boxscape> (I'm only dealing with characters allowed in filenames fwit)
2021-05-25 12:12:09 <boxscape> s/fwit/fwiw
2021-05-25 12:12:19 <merijn> opqdonut: Basically, i'm increasingly convinced that any form of indexing text is just insanity :p
2021-05-25 12:12:24 <opqdonut> boxscape: aren't filenames better modeled as ByteString in most systems?
2021-05-25 12:12:28 <dminuoso> opqdonut: the notion of "character" is not clear, honestly,
2021-05-25 12:12:32 <merijn> opqdonut: Define "most systems"
2021-05-25 12:12:32 <tomsmeding> opqdonut: yeah
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