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| 2026-03-22 11:21:28 | <mesaoptimizer> | Facebook blessed Rust as an official language, but not Haskell. FPco moved to Rust, supposedly because that's where they were getting their consulting jobs, but perhaps because of other reasons. The haskellbook author moved to working with Rust full-time and has stopped engaging with the Haskell community. This seems like a pattern, and I don't understand what the cause is. |
| 2026-03-22 11:23:00 | <haskellbridge> | <Nguyễn Trọng Cường> mesaoptimizer: Maybe Haskell suffers from some fundamental issues that these people and groups have recognized, but the community have not? |
| 2026-03-22 11:24:51 | <__monty__> | Or the Haskell community is resistant to being profitted off of? |
| 2026-03-22 11:29:21 | <mesaoptimizer> | Here's one possible reason: "I've consulted at _lots_ of companies in _lots_ of languages at my time at @FPComplete. We've seen lots of footguns introduced by "runts" in lots of languages, Haskell included. The problem with Haskell: the commonly accepted best practices make things worse, not better, in most cases. And due to Haskell's reputation, when a project goes to hell, its usually the thing |
| 2026-03-22 11:29:23 | <mesaoptimizer> | to take the blame. By contrast, if a Java project goes off the rails, "no one ever got fired for choosing Java." In other words, IMO, there's a combo of unfair blame placed on Haskell, and a very fair indictment that Haskell's culture has led towards more failures than such a great language should have. Unfortunately." https://xcancel.com/snoyberg/status/1989974511651786910#m |
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| 2026-03-22 12:46:10 | <Rembane> | Has anyone figured out what kind of best practices Snoyman is refering to? |
| 2026-03-22 12:48:47 | <__monty__> | I assume it's the general striving for abstractions? |
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| 2026-03-22 12:59:06 | <Rembane> | That seems likely coming from him. |
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