Logs: liberachat/#kmonad
| 2021-08-29 12:56:10 | <Tisoxin> | just another answer to „ah it's not like I know a lot myself :>“ :p |
| 2021-08-29 13:03:15 | <Solid> | I call it luck :> |
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| 2021-09-01 20:30:33 | <technomancy> | trying to build kmonad on my arm64 laptop and getting this: Unable to find installation URLs for OS key: linux-aarch64-tinfo6Unable to find installation URLs for OS key: linux-aarch64-tinfo6 |
| 2021-09-01 20:31:05 | <technomancy> | is this a kmonad problem or a haskell problem? |
| 2021-09-01 20:31:42 | <Tisoxin> | iirc there was some problem with stack on aarch, though im really not sure |
| 2021-09-01 20:34:26 | <technomancy> | I already have libtinfo6 installed thru apt so I dunno why stack wants to reinstall it |
| 2021-09-01 20:35:01 | <contrapunctus> | technomancy: you! 🙂 |
| 2021-09-01 20:35:20 | <Tisoxin> | maybe you want to try to install kmonad with nix… |
| 2021-09-01 20:35:33 | <Tisoxin> | if its some weird dependency problem, nix should work |
| 2021-09-01 20:35:47 | <Tisoxin> | (if nix is available for aarch64) |
| 2021-09-01 20:37:15 | <technomancy> | yeah...... I was kinda hoping not to hop down that enormous rabbit trail |
| 2021-09-01 20:37:30 | <technomancy> | contrapunctus: dun dun dun |
| 2021-09-01 20:38:49 | <Tisoxin> | technomancy: to sweet the rabbit tail: nix is really great (at least if you are a developer) |
| 2021-09-01 20:38:52 | <technomancy> | basically my problem is I got a new machine where I can't use exwm, and so I want to find a way to get emacs key bindings in firefox so I don't end up throwing my laptop out the window due to getting seventeen new windows open when I try to scroll down |
| 2021-09-01 20:39:02 | <Tisoxin> | especially combined with direnv |
| 2021-09-01 20:39:18 | <technomancy> | I like the idea behind nix but I don't like the language, and nix betrayed my trust many years ago |
| 2021-09-01 20:39:26 | <Tisoxin> | why can't you use exwm? |
| 2021-09-01 20:39:34 | <Tisoxin> | technomancy: in what way? |
| 2021-09-01 20:39:38 | <technomancy> | (nix non-consensually installed the adobe flash plugin on my laptop when I didn't ask for it) |
| 2021-09-01 20:39:46 | <technomancy> | I was goddamn furious |
| 2021-09-01 20:39:54 | <technomancy> | my rage has cooled in the intervening years but the trust is still not there |
| 2021-09-01 20:39:55 | <Tisoxin> | oh |
| 2021-09-01 20:41:23 | Tisoxin | has "allowUnfree" set to false |
| 2021-09-01 20:42:23 | <technomancy> | I got a new laptop that only supports wayland and not X. it's a real good laptop but wayland is ... utterly miserable compared to exwm. |
| 2021-09-01 20:42:56 | <Tisoxin> | ok |
| 2021-09-01 20:43:19 | <contrapunctus> | technomancy: «(nix non-consensually installed the adobe flash plugin on my laptop when I didn't ask for it)» oh wut |
| 2021-09-01 20:48:43 | <technomancy> | inorite |
| 2021-09-01 20:49:05 | <technomancy> | also I think technically illegal since I didn't agree to the license agreement |
| 2021-09-01 21:13:28 | <technomancy> | the nix model is like ... conceptually very obviously the correct way to move forward, it's just that even though apt is built on a foundation of sand it also has a bajillion person-hours poured into making it work, and when it covers 99% of what I want it's hard to pull in an entirely new paradigm just for that last 1% |
| 2021-09-01 21:18:48 | <contrapunctus> | I literally tried installing Guix before realizing it did not support installation on LVM volumes. (The support is apparently there now, but in an experimental/informally-documented state.) |
| 2021-09-01 21:20:21 | technomancy | realizes he's making a "worse is better" argument and gets mad at himself |
| 2021-09-01 21:25:08 | <contrapunctus> | technomancy: wasn't 'worse is better' really about 'release early, release often'? |
| 2021-09-01 21:25:21 | <contrapunctus> | (The original essay.) |
| 2021-09-01 21:25:29 | <technomancy> | I guess that was a big part of it |
| 2021-09-01 21:25:57 | <technomancy> | I'm thinking more about "the right way" (nix/guix) vs "the way that works today" (apt) |
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| 2021-09-02 05:09:32 | <Solid> | how does a laptop not support X11 Oo |
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| 2021-09-02 05:12:42 | <Solid> | technomancy: of everything else fails try to force stack to use the system GHC; at least if the resolvers match that should work |
| 2021-09-02 14:57:27 | <technomancy> | Solid: it's a pretty experimental system: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform/ |
| 2021-09-02 15:02:27 | <Solid> | but it even comes with debian |
| 2021-09-02 15:02:32 | <Solid> | which surely still supports x11 |
| 2021-09-02 15:02:43 | <technomancy> | sadly it does not |
| 2021-09-02 15:03:25 | <technomancy> | it's a laptop made by like four people so it's understandable they had to cut some corners |
| 2021-09-02 15:04:37 | <Solid> | it's not like the laptop needs to be built in a certain way to support a display server |
| 2021-09-02 15:05:19 | <Solid> | and debian 11 comes with many DEs that are available for X11 only, like Xfce, LXQt, LXDE and MATE ( https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20210814 ) |
| 2021-09-02 15:07:08 | <contrapunctus> | technomancy: wow, you have an MNT Reform? 🤯️ |
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| 2021-09-02 15:26:45 | <sams> | hola |
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| 2021-09-02 15:38:37 | <contrapunctus> | And gone o.O |
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