Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
| 2025-11-20 03:36:53 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> That's all they've committed to for sure is that plasma 6.x will always support X; plasma 7 is TBD |
| 2025-11-20 03:38:00 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> if it's the ppa (as jammy is still supported) they'll have to move DEs unfortunately |
| 2025-11-20 03:38:22 | <geekosaur> | it does, so anyone using the flashback mechanism to run xmonad under gnome will still work |
| 2025-11-20 03:38:35 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I won't able able to use Plasma 6 with Xmonad as Plasma 6 breaks functionality in Xmonad. Panels don't pop up menus anymore. There is a patch for it I maintain, but the patch no longer works in plasma6. I checked it already. |
| 2025-11-20 03:38:52 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> The last plasma version that patch works on is plasma5. |
| 2025-11-20 03:39:20 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> geekosaur: So if it's flashback it won't break |
| 2025-11-20 03:39:28 | <geekosaur> | that sdoesn't surprise me greatly, as it's actually running the final release of gnome 2 |
| 2025-11-20 03:40:16 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> yeah, so it really depends on the question of how xmonad is being run under gnome |
| 2025-11-20 03:40:40 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/174 is the issue for KDE users. The patch works in 24.04, but not in 25.10 or 26.04 |
| 2025-11-20 03:41:05 | <geekosaur> | there isn't any other way I'm aware of. actually using xmonad with gnome 3 would require a modified xmonad which did everything by relaying to/from a JS shim |
| 2025-11-20 03:41:21 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Even switching distros wont' help as the problem is in plasmaframework package, src/plasmaquick/dialog.cpp |
| 2025-11-20 03:41:23 | <geekosaur> | everything's a gnome-shell plugin in gnome 3 |
| 2025-11-20 03:41:33 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> also how does one conversation happen at 3 speeds? O.o |
| 2025-11-20 03:42:15 | <geekosaur> | you think this is bad, try having the participants spread between 3 widely separated timezones 🙂 |
| 2025-11-20 03:42:56 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> i have had that, but we're all here at the moment all talking past each other 🤣 |
| 2025-11-20 03:42:57 | <geekosaur> | sorry, you'll have to wait 2 hours for the response from the dude in australia 🙂 |
| 2025-11-20 03:43:03 | <geekosaur> | *12 |
| 2025-11-20 03:43:21 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> * experienced |
| 2025-11-20 03:44:40 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> anyway i was certainly mistaken, i was under the impression one couldn't swap out the WM in gnome anymore at all, so when they said they used gnome with xmonad, i didnt understand they were using them at the same time. |
| 2025-11-20 03:44:44 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> i have worked with people from both belgium, india and china being from suriname myself; but this kinda hilarious to see |
| 2025-11-20 03:44:59 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Your guy's issue about Gnome looks like has a solution, but my KDE/plasmaframework issue so far has no solution. ☹️ |
| 2025-11-20 03:45:38 | <geekosaur> | you can swap it out but only with other JS plugins |
| 2025-11-20 03:45:41 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> Nexilva: ah so they're using gnome-flashback? |
| 2025-11-20 03:45:49 | <geekosaur> | there's even a tiling wm plugin, but I hear it's pretty crappy |
| 2025-11-20 03:46:20 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> cause that's a different DE than regular gnome |
| 2025-11-20 03:46:46 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> * gnome-flashback is |
| 2025-11-20 03:47:13 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> geekosaur: it is indeed, it's more like super charged window snapping than actual tiling |
| 2025-11-20 03:48:09 | <geekosaur> | as to plasma 6, I don't think there can be any solution without talking the KDE devs into playing nicely with non-KDE components 😞 |
| 2025-11-20 03:48:13 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> the best i've seen is popos's popshell— but that's a manual setup (and they're going cosmic) |
| 2025-11-20 03:48:22 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> ☹️ |
| 2025-11-20 03:49:00 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Looks like I'll be stuck on 24.04 until 34.04 and then we'll see what to do. I will have to use just Xmonad + standalone panels and systray |
| 2025-11-20 03:49:06 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> geekosaur: time to integrate into KDE |
| 2025-11-20 03:49:19 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> The only things I use KDE for are KDE apps and plasma panels. |
| 2025-11-20 03:49:23 | <geekosaur> | I don't think that would work here |
| 2025-11-20 03:49:48 | <geekosaur> | it's more about KDE dialogs and stuff just not playing along with other window managers |
| 2025-11-20 03:50:00 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> krita okular kdeconnect |
| 2025-11-20 03:50:14 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> those are my 3 favorite kde apps |
| 2025-11-20 03:50:17 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I still haven't found a standalone systray with a wifi feature that lets you control network manager and wifi. |
| 2025-11-20 03:50:22 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> when my kids were little, gcompris would be on that list too. |
| 2025-11-20 03:50:22 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Otherwise trayer or stalonetray would do |
| 2025-11-20 03:50:25 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> Nexilva: uh about that— that 5 years extended support is only security fixes, it does not include community support |
| 2025-11-20 03:50:51 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Ubuntu pro provides 10 years of support I was told by Nils |
| 2025-11-20 03:50:55 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> 15 now |
| 2025-11-20 03:50:59 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> they just upped it to 15 |
| 2025-11-20 03:51:03 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Oh nice |
| 2025-11-20 03:51:19 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> I have an 18.04 laptop I was worried I was gunna have to upgrade in a couple years, but now I've got longer. |
| 2025-11-20 03:51:59 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> geekosaur: oh i actually was poking in the direction of merging with kwin; but i was also half joking, that a whole different endeavor after all |
| 2025-11-20 03:52:34 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I need a standalone menu/app panel, task manager bar, and systray. Then I don't need plasmashell anymore. |
| 2025-11-20 03:52:47 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> Nexilva: ask him what that means exactly |
| 2025-11-20 03:53:04 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> https://ubuntu.com/blog/canonical-expands-total-coverage-for-ubuntu-lts-releases-to-15-years-with-legacy-add-on |
| 2025-11-20 03:53:06 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> there is some nuance to it |
| 2025-11-20 03:53:27 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> I have done it on my 18.04 machine, it requires registering with canoical, giving them your details. |
| 2025-11-20 03:53:37 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Ubuntu Pro extends the life of every Ubuntu LTS from 5 years of standard security maintenance for the Main repository to 10 years for the entire Ubuntu Archive (Main and Universe repositories). |
| 2025-11-20 03:53:45 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> for home users, you can get 5 codes, and theres a command you use to register the code with each machine. |
| 2025-11-20 03:53:47 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Where did you read 15 years? |
| 2025-11-20 03:53:59 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> I just linked the article about 15 years, look to my link Nexilva. |
| 2025-11-20 03:54:17 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> it is aimed at companies running legacy software to keep it secure |
| 2025-11-20 03:54:50 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> it does not include community reporting bugs and those getting fixed |
| 2025-11-20 03:55:02 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I got it |
| 2025-11-20 03:55:07 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> but we're offtopic here now :p |
| 2025-11-20 03:56:41 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I doubt the KDE devs are willing to support Xmonad functionality. I really need to find an alternative panel for Xmonad and a systray that supports wifi plugin or something. |
| 2025-11-20 03:57:44 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I've tried a few diff panels without much luck. lxqt-panel, xfce4-panel, etc. but they didn't come with any wifi module for the systray, so I can't use them. I don't want to have to type commands to manage my wifi. ☹️ |
| 2025-11-20 03:58:03 | <geekosaur> | it could also be argued that xmonad should support whatever they need, probably as an EwmhDesktops plugin. but if they don't document that there's not much we can do there |
| 2025-11-20 03:58:35 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> i think xfce uses ayatana indicators for that |
| 2025-11-20 03:58:46 | <geekosaur> | (KDE does use a bunch of pseudo-EWMH _KDE_NET_… properties and messages) |
| 2025-11-20 03:59:17 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> you can use "network-manager-applet" |
| 2025-11-20 03:59:26 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> that package puts a wifi icon in your systray |
| 2025-11-20 03:59:37 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> * wifi/network |
| 2025-11-20 03:59:42 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> geekosaur: wonder if kde devs could be consulted on it, some sort if collab |
| 2025-11-20 03:59:54 | <geekosaur> | I'd been wondering about that, other people have reported that works fine |
| 2025-11-20 04:00:10 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> * like some sort of |
| 2025-11-20 04:00:13 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> * systray, and comes with advanced connection editor gui too. but you can do basic stuff right from systray like connect to wifi or enable vpn. |
| 2025-11-20 04:00:50 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> Nexilva: ever tried plank? simple.... |
| 2025-11-20 04:01:03 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> but plank does not provide a systray |
| 2025-11-20 04:01:04 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Never even heard of plank. |
| 2025-11-20 04:01:09 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> plank is a simple dock |
| 2025-11-20 04:01:10 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> very nice |
| 2025-11-20 04:01:15 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> macos style but works well |
| 2025-11-20 04:02:12 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> It needs to also display my Xmonad workspaces in the panel, like so: |
| 2025-11-20 04:02:16 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/matrix.org/FaqesWpMTZOtiukFiZnhjWER/ZMfVKFHs0O0/image.png |
| 2025-11-20 04:02:45 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> See the 10 workspaces on panel? I can't find another panel outside KDE that integrates with Xmonad workspaces |
| 2025-11-20 04:02:46 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> ya plank too simple for what youw ant |
| 2025-11-20 04:02:55 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> oh yeah there's also the vala panel project |
| 2025-11-20 04:02:55 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> * you want |
| 2025-11-20 04:02:59 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> I don't think there's a variant of xmonad-log-applet for plasmapanel, sadly |
| 2025-11-20 04:03:27 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> (all the edits are getting too hard to follow from IRC side) |
| 2025-11-20 04:03:29 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> but anyways that network-manager-applet will work with that panel you have, 99% sure. |
| 2025-11-20 04:04:09 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I'll check out the new panels if I need to upgrade. Currently happy with KDE and Xmonad so far which has been my setup for years. |
| 2025-11-20 04:04:11 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> oh gosh didn't realize you were on irc |
| 2025-11-20 04:04:40 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> I'm actually n both sides, but I usually stick to IRC because I'm a chanop there |
| 2025-11-20 04:05:02 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> (I think only Solid is a mod on matrix? maybe Tomas too) |
| 2025-11-20 04:05:24 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> ah makes sense, tho still— sorry for the noise xd |
| 2025-11-20 04:05:32 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> liskin and solid and unclechu are admins here on Matrix side |
| 2025-11-20 04:06:06 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> (I was trying not to ping Tomas) |
| 2025-11-20 04:07:58 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> sorry i didnt realize this was bridged to irc, probably me editing. and i dont even use xmonad so i'll leave this channel now, but good luck, and sorry for name caling nexliva, love you. |
| 2025-11-20 04:10:47 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> anyway re IRC nicks on matrix, if you look at the mxid (should be a mouseover in Element) it's pretty obvious which the bridged ones are |
| 2025-11-20 04:11:36 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> although if you're on a phone/tablet I guess "mouseover" doesn;t work well :) |
| 2025-11-20 04:11:57 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> * doesn't work well 😀 |
| 2025-11-20 04:13:16 | → | strohpappy joins (~steven@2600:6c44:2e00:1e5b::1903) |
| 2025-11-20 04:17:30 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> yeah i'm on ubuntu touch xd |
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