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| 2025-11-20 02:57:44 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> There is an idiot in ubuntu support channel who is afraid to upgrade to ubuntu 25.10 cuz he thinks xmonad dont work anymore. Please let him know he's wrong. |
| 2025-11-20 02:58:19 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> Ubuntu has not removed Xorg in any way. If you have GNOME desktop installed, using that will require using wayland, but won't affect xmonad in any possible way. |
| 2025-11-20 03:14:33 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> He's also in this channel btw, I wasnt suggesting come to ubuntu channel. |
| 2025-11-20 03:14:34 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> That's correct. It does have knock-on effects on other desktop environments, but xmonad itself isn't affected |
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| 2025-11-20 03:16:04 | <haskellbridge> | <geekosaur (@geekosaur:matrix.org)> (but that bites me because I use xmonad with MATE and auth to Google services needs Gnome) |
| 2025-11-20 03:18:32 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> People in #support:ubuntu.com (https://matrix.to/#/#support:ubuntu.com) are arguing with me that Gnome/Ubuntu 25.10+ drop support for Xorg sessions doesn't affect Xmonad. They don't understand that some people use Gnome + Xmonad as their WM. |
| 2025-11-20 03:19:38 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Someone even called me an idiot because I brought that up. They're like Xmonad and gnome have nothing to do with one another. Clearly they don't understand the core of the problem. |
| 2025-11-20 03:23:56 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> in my defense, i jumped in late, it is only once i saw the argument in here that i understood the misunderstanding |
| 2025-11-20 03:24:50 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> also please don't call it gnome/ubuntu 25.10 that's part of the confusion |
| 2025-11-20 03:24:56 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> +cause if |
| 2025-11-20 03:25:25 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> that part is clear to me, its ubuntyu 25.10 that includes gnome 49 that doesnt include xsession |
| 2025-11-20 03:25:29 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> xmonad _can_ work on ubuntu 25.10 just not under GNOME |
| 2025-11-20 03:25:59 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> but, i am now trying to understand, and it seems there was a 3rd party gnome-session-xmonad that would allow using xmonad within gnome as the WM |
| 2025-11-20 03:26:18 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> i can only find it for jammy and earlier, but perhaps its somewhere else and works for noble or plucky |
| 2025-11-20 03:26:27 | <geekosaur> | uh, is that even possible? Gnome-flashback wouldn't be affected, since it's Gnome 2 with a Gnome 3 theme |
| 2025-11-20 03:26:51 | <geekosaur> | Gnome 3 window manager components are JS |
| 2025-11-20 03:27:43 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> sounds like the real question is, how did Nexilva get xmonad running under gnome |
| 2025-11-20 03:27:47 | <geekosaur> | and xmonad would need a major overhaul to work by plugging into a JS plugin |
| 2025-11-20 03:28:10 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> * gnome? |
| 2025-11-20 03:28:22 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> They're trying to argue about compositors etc. I'm simply informing them that there is a problem going forward in Ubuntu 25.10+ where gnome drops support for x11 sessions and only has Wayland session. |
| 2025-11-20 03:28:23 | <geekosaur> | if gnome-flashback exists, telling gnome 3 to run an external window manager uses it |
| 2025-11-20 03:28:33 | <geekosaur> | but that means you're actually running gnome 2 |
| 2025-11-20 03:28:59 | <geekosaur> | and there's about zero chance the gnome devs will release a new gnome 2 without X11 support |
| 2025-11-20 03:29:34 | <geekosaur> | they care only about gnome 3 these days |
| 2025-11-20 03:30:35 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Xmonad simply doesn't work under Wayland. So Ubuntu 25.10+ Gnome users can't use Xmonad as their WM with the Gnome Desktop. |
| 2025-11-20 03:30:42 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> Nexilva: We're past that now fwiw; now we're trying to figure how you got xmonad working under gnome |
| 2025-11-20 03:30:49 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> Nexilva: But can 24.04 users? |
| 2025-11-20 03:31:06 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> or 25.04 |
| 2025-11-20 03:31:18 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Oh so you want to talk to me now after calling me an idiot? No thanks. |
| 2025-11-20 03:31:40 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> Still trying to help you, still trying to understand, as you still haven't explained. |
| 2025-11-20 03:31:46 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> If there was nothing to debate, why are you here? |
| 2025-11-20 03:31:50 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> yeah that's on you enigma |
| 2025-11-20 03:31:51 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> But absolutely, I didnt understand what you were saying, and I apologize. |
| 2025-11-20 03:31:57 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> I'm here trying to help you, still! |
| 2025-11-20 03:32:04 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Fine. |
| 2025-11-20 03:32:08 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I accept your apology. |
| 2025-11-20 03:32:08 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> You told me to join here, sheesh. |
| 2025-11-20 03:32:58 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> this gnome-session-xnomad was never provided by ubuntu, but i have found ppa for jammy, but thats long ago. |
| 2025-11-20 03:33:28 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> Nexilva: so how did you install xmonad under gnome? |
| 2025-11-20 03:33:48 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> If you look carefully in #support:ubuntu.com (https://matrix.to/#/#support:ubuntu.com) I said that I use KDE + Xmonad. I don't use Gnome. |
| 2025-11-20 03:34:05 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> Just that people are worried. |
| 2025-11-20 03:34:05 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> Even geekosaur is confused about that |
| 2025-11-20 03:34:22 | <geekosaur> | I'm not in #support:ubuntu.com |
| 2025-11-20 03:34:34 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> Nexilva: then why were talking about gnome 😂 |
| 2025-11-20 03:34:36 | <geekosaur> | That detail wasn't mentioned here, only Gnome vs. xmonad |
| 2025-11-20 03:34:42 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> I can certainly see that gnome removing support for x session will make it far more difficult than before to create this xmonad session. But I suspect it hasn't worked for quite a while anyway. |
| 2025-11-20 03:35:01 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> * anyway, but could be wrong. |
| 2025-11-20 03:35:21 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> i don't believe kde removed their x11 session yet, did they? |
| 2025-11-20 03:35:45 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Fuseteam: Because friends in my Xmonad community use it. I just mentioned it. I didn't expect a verbal avalanche in Ubuntu. |
| 2025-11-20 03:36:06 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> Nexilva: misunderstanding happen |
| 2025-11-20 03:36:31 | <geekosaur> | ubuntu as of 25.04 still has gnome-flashback, so everything I said about it earlier applies |
| 2025-11-20 03:36:33 | <haskellbridge> | <Fuseteam> then we would need to know how your friends did that |
| 2025-11-20 03:36:37 | <haskellbridge> | <enigma9o7> Fuseteam: No, and it won't happen with 6.x either. |
| 2025-11-20 03:36:43 | <geekosaur> | I don't know if 25.10 does |
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