Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
| 2026-03-02 23:10:12 | <geekosaur> | and yeh, not entirely different here except that all I needed it for was rent; my sister was able to cover the rest |
| 2026-03-02 23:10:55 | <geekosaur> | including taking over my cellphone bill (she still has it in fact, but I'm sending her a check every month now because I can afford ot) |
| 2026-03-02 23:11:11 | <liskin> | xmonad core repo will be a bit trickier as we still need the HEADHACKAGE/allow-newer kludges |
| 2026-03-02 23:15:48 | <geekosaur> | I should have just pushed those PRs in, but of late I've been (a) going to doctor appointments (b) trying to push stuff into cabal (Hackage instability has been making them time out and abort CI) (c) trying to catch up on household stuff not done because of (a) |
| 2026-03-02 23:16:13 | <geekosaur> | 4 doctor appointments each the last two weeks (plus a day lost to laundry weekly) |
| 2026-03-02 23:16:33 | <liskin> | the hackage release patch needed adjusting anyway, so merging those PRs wouldn't have been quite correct anyway |
| 2026-03-02 23:16:44 | <geekosaur> | down to 2 the next couple weeks, then hopefully just 1, then in a month or so those should end |
| 2026-03-02 23:18:38 | <liskin> | actually the patch didn't even apply because I hand-edited the last haskell-ci-update PRs and forgot to update the patch |
| 2026-03-02 23:19:08 | <liskin> | well fingers crossed for your health |
| 2026-03-02 23:19:27 | <liskin> | mine seems to be dependent on sunlight, which we don't get much of lately :-) |
| 2026-03-02 23:21:21 | <geekosaur> | we seem to be opposites there, since one of my problems is sensory hypersensitivity and sunlight even with 2 layers of dark glasses is sometimes too much… |
| 2026-03-02 23:21:45 | <geekosaur> | (in fact it seems to be general nervous system overstimulation/overactivity) |
| 2026-03-02 23:23:43 | <liskin> | I struggle in dark noisy clubs but give me sunny smelly nature all day all year :-) |
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| 2026-03-02 23:37:48 | <geekosaur> | I like nature but let's make it a forest or at least woods please ☺ |
| 2026-03-02 23:58:21 | <liskin> | :-) |
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| 2026-03-03 08:38:05 | <haskellbridge> | <Solid> liskin: absolutely no objections (and I think geekosaur should probably do the same for countless years of unpaid work!) |
| 2026-03-03 08:39:12 | <haskellbridge> | <Solid> tbh, I think that using the money (in whatever way) is much more in line with the goal of "support the xmonad maintainers" that I would imagine most people had in mind when they donated, than to let it sit on the opencollective account not doing anything |
| 2026-03-03 09:24:02 | <haskellbridge> | <Solid> Slightly related: what do we think about a release on the weekend? Seems like enough functionality has accrued since the last one, and this may or may not be a good opportunity to open an invoice |
| 2026-03-03 09:51:15 | <liskin> | Not many thoughts about it, just a general "the release procedure is still too much friction and maybe that's why we don't release more often" feeling :-) |
| 2026-03-03 09:53:59 | <liskin> | People these days have LLMs write release notes for them and the whole release is a single click... (and it does fail quite often lol so the release notification emails from GitHub are often empty or malformed, but it's still valuable to observe what people do on the extreme side of the spectrum) |
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| 2026-03-03 15:34:00 | <geekosaur> | I've kind of gotten used to "rolling release from git" tbh ☺ |
| 2026-03-03 15:41:24 | <geekosaur> | (also I was hoping to get some fixes in for `DebugWindow` and `ManageDebug` but I have no idea when I'll get to them) |
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| 2026-03-04 18:42:15 | <liskin> | I suspect some users still rely on releases because of the implied stability, and many distro packages definitely do |
| 2026-03-04 18:42:27 | <liskin> | that being said I have no idea what our userbase looks like these days |
| 2026-03-04 18:43:23 | <liskin> | many workplaces are Mac-only these days, plus people switching to Wayland, plus the general war against general computing… |
| 2026-03-04 18:52:46 | <geekosaur> | probably what it's always looked like, given that we're a tiny niche within a niche within a niche ☺ |
| 2026-03-04 18:53:01 | <geekosaur> | "workplaces" probably don't figure into any of the niches |
| 2026-03-04 18:53:52 | <geekosaur> | (to the extent they care about any of it, kiosk mode is likely the closest they get) |
| 2026-03-04 18:54:38 | <haskellbridge> | <nogonosa> For what it's worth, I switched back from Wayland to Xorg mostly because there's no real alternative to Xmonad. I tried with a couple of window managers but even after days of writing custom code I couldn't get to the same level of comfort I have here. When I started, I was able to add a custom layout with very little effort, even if Ihad 0 experience with Haskell before |
| 2026-03-04 18:56:50 | <geekosaur> | also the fact that we don't provide global default configurations that IT can manage with automated tooling, xmonad would be off the table anyway. they don't want any form of user configuration |
| 2026-03-04 18:57:22 | <geekosaur> | whereas for xmonad and dwm at least, per-user confguration's one of the main points |
| 2026-03-04 18:59:00 | <liskin> | I'm fairly sure we used to have a considerable number of users in big tech like Google and Meta |
| 2026-03-04 18:59:39 | <geekosaur> | google at least is cool with users doing their own thing, or used to be. many large companies emphatically are not |
| 2026-03-04 18:59:48 | <liskin> | Chrome/Chromium still has code that detects xmonad and switches to override redirect for moving tabs between windows |
| 2026-03-04 19:00:05 | <liskin> | and I don't think that code would be there if Googlers weren't affected personally |
| 2026-03-04 19:00:08 | <geekosaur> | there was a mailing list query some years ago from someone affiliated with one of them asking about how to lock down local configuration and use a fixed global configuration |
| 2026-03-04 19:01:32 | <geekosaur> | google and meta in particular were somewhat famous for allowing their devs to do more or less whatever they wanted — very unlike many large companies |
| 2026-03-04 19:01:52 | <geekosaur> | (then google at least started tightening things down and a lot of people I know bailed) |
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| 2026-03-04 19:03:36 | <geekosaur> | and, well, look at Go. the current google mindset is lots of replaceable cogs using a simple language with a tightly controlled ecosystem to crank out a lot of crap code |
| 2026-03-04 19:04:02 | <liskin> | yeah, but it's kinda understandable - letting people "npx whatever" is a ticking time bomb these days |
| 2026-03-04 19:04:09 | <geekosaur> | current google is not the laissez-faire old one |
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