Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
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| 2021-06-05 08:36:06 | <Industrial[m]> | oh, right, in xmobar. |
| 2021-06-05 08:36:34 | <Industrial[m]> | Hmm. and I want to replace that one soon :) after I'm done with the workspaces |
| 2021-06-05 08:36:40 | <Solid> | have you restarted xmonad/xmobar? |
| 2021-06-05 08:37:22 | Industrial[m] | uploaded an image: (52KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/cZNhWCZvepwPMvSMBtFVIpDk/Screenshot_2021-06-05_10-38-01.png > |
| 2021-06-05 08:37:24 | <Industrial[m]> | yes |
| 2021-06-05 08:37:59 | <Industrial[m]> | oh, nevermind. It didn't show because I had nothing on it. |
| 2021-06-05 08:38:21 | <Solid> | :) |
| 2021-06-05 08:39:02 | <Solid> | If you want to show all workspaces all the time there's a ppHiddenNoWindows (I believe) |
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| 2021-06-05 08:56:19 | Industrial[m] | < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/751d0ded6de017e436acffb61b1e1c25995d1799/message.txt > |
| 2021-06-05 08:56:44 | Industrial[m] | < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e289b85784af41f656db3a6060f0c720507320aa/message.txt > |
| 2021-06-05 09:01:29 | <Industrial[m]> | found https://projets.iiens.net/martin2018/xmonad/-/blob/7a59b2eb93cbf7997b422ef4a791cae2bd17f3c9/xmonad.hs#L83 as an example |
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| 2021-06-05 09:06:35 | <Solid> | Industrial[m]: you probably have to put that into your xmobarPP |
| 2021-06-05 09:06:45 | <Solid> | it's where you define the rest of the pretty-printing stuff |
| 2021-06-05 09:07:00 | Industrial[m] | < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8a8e0e3a01ef73b0bb6d3bf1152c42b4cbbe4fe0/message.txt > |
| 2021-06-05 09:07:23 | <Solid> | yes, or that :) |
| 2021-06-05 09:07:41 | <Solid> | btw, `\x -> x` has a name: `id` :) |
| 2021-06-05 09:09:27 | <Industrial[m]> | Right. The identity function. |
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| 2021-06-05 16:11:33 | <jg> | good morning gents :) how's everyone doing? |
| 2021-06-05 16:25:19 | <jg> | do yall just stick to vim, or are yall emacs users |
| 2021-06-05 16:27:41 | <geekosaur> | either one depending on circumstances |
| 2021-06-05 16:35:49 | <jg> | yea I like vim for just a text edditor, but have been messing with emacs in daemon mode and its nearly as fast |
| 2021-06-05 16:36:10 | <jg> | the buffer is pretty sick too |
| 2021-06-05 16:44:16 | <jg> | geekosaur, do you think xmonad will always stick on x or if things eventually start shifting to wayland, would there be a transition? |
| 2021-06-05 16:46:00 | <geekosaur> | there have been a few attempts at an xmonadalike on waylannd, they all fizzled |
| 2021-06-05 16:46:19 | <geekosaur> | xmonad itself can't even reasonably be retargeted to xcb, much less wayland |
| 2021-06-05 16:53:08 | <jg> | thanks :) i was curious, is that due to how integrated it currently is with X |
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| 2021-06-05 16:55:24 | <geekosaur> | xmonad is a very thin layer over xlib, and changing that would essentially break the entire ecosystem |
| 2021-06-05 16:56:11 | <jg> | could it work with xwayland? |
| 2021-06-05 16:56:38 | <jg> | i thought that essentually emulates x, but i could be remembering it wrong |
| 2021-06-05 16:58:30 | <geekosaur> | it does but not enough for window managers |
| 2021-06-05 16:58:40 | <geekosaur> | wayland window managers have to plug into the compositor |
| 2021-06-05 17:04:35 | <jg> | not sure if its emacs, but using doom emacs, it does not like a period in the XSelection.hs within the import Codec.Binary.UTF8.String, the period between Binary and UTF, I'm assuming this is nbd and maybe just emacs being weird? |
| 2021-06-05 17:05:56 | <jg> | it however only flags this within the import XMonad part of xmonad.hs |
| 2021-06-05 17:09:20 | <jg> | fixed by clearing errors in buffer and resaving, disreguard |
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| 2021-06-05 17:30:06 | <liskin> | Trying to get xmonad working with xwayland might be a fun exercise, but it's a dead end. Could be a way to get us a few more years of of X though. |
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| 2021-06-05 17:32:03 | <liskin> | Xwayland is supposed to support having a Wayland compositor, X window manager and only X clients. I don't think any other project does it as it's clearly not a way forward, but I just might make sense for us. Xwayland will definitely be maintained a lot longer than Xorg server. |
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| 2021-06-05 19:13:04 | <pl> | liskin: XWayland definitely doesn't work in any way that would support such operation |
| 2021-06-05 19:34:10 | <liskin> | pl: you sure? https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch05.html talks about "rootful mode" |
| 2021-06-05 19:34:49 | <liskin> | I have absolutely no idea if that actually works, I just know that these docs talk about it |
| 2021-06-05 19:35:35 | <pl> | I have never seen it working, and it seems to essentially open a complete new big window that doesn't interact with anything else (think a bit like typical VNC) |
| 2021-06-05 19:39:59 | <liskin> | yeah that's why I said it's a dead end, it's not meant to support wayland clients |
| 2021-06-05 19:40:31 | <liskin> | the only point of even trying to do this is because Xwayland may get a release from the master branch whereas Xorg server is stuck in 1.20.x maintenance releases |
| 2021-06-05 19:40:52 | <liskin> | it'd still be an X desktop |
| 2021-06-05 19:41:29 | <liskin> | just not an X server with a wm and an optional compositor, but a mandatory non-restartable compositor with Xwayland and xmonad as a WM |
| 2021-06-05 19:41:42 | <liskin> | no support for wayland clients at all |
| 2021-06-05 19:57:25 | <liskin> | but if anyone's ever attempted this and knows that it doesn't work, we shouldn't waste time on it |
| 2021-06-05 19:57:53 | <liskin> | I feel it might be the kind of thing that people wouldn't even try as it's just silly but it might work nevertheless :-) |
| 2021-06-05 20:03:48 | <geekosaur> | I don't see much point in it tbh especially if Xwayland doesn't have single window mode or it doesn't work right |
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| 2021-06-05 20:13:02 | <jg> | howdy |
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| 2021-06-05 20:19:37 | <jg> | howdy mc47 |
| 2021-06-05 20:19:46 | <mc47> | hey! |
| 2021-06-05 20:19:57 | <mc47> | how's it going? |
| 2021-06-05 20:20:31 | <jg> | good :) i've been messing with the git version of picom and it runs way better |
| 2021-06-05 20:21:13 | <liskin> | better compared to what? |
| 2021-06-05 20:21:27 | <jg> | whatever picom was in the arch repo |
| 2021-06-05 20:21:48 | <jg> | its got the dual_kawase blur which is pretty sick and experimental backends is significantly smoother |
| 2021-06-05 20:22:07 | <jg> | https://github.com/yshui/picom |
| 2021-06-05 20:22:08 | <mc47> | I remember reading that some forks are better than the "official" one |
| 2021-06-05 20:22:48 | liskin | is running 7.3 which is from before it was renamed to picom and it's like 5× faster than anything newer I ever tried :-/ |
| 2021-06-05 20:23:01 | <liskin> | but then I'm not using any blur or shadows or any sort of eye candy |
| 2021-06-05 20:23:35 | <jg> | I like the blurr, but mainly its nice for the animations when openning windows, it gets rid of that little glitch where you see the wallpaper flash |
| 2021-06-05 20:24:26 | <jg> | it's lowkey necessary for nvidia as well if you play games, because forecomposition pipeline hurts latency noticibly for me |
| 2021-06-05 20:25:05 | <liskin> | well there's unredir-if-possible for games … |
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