Logs: liberachat/#xmonad
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| 2021-06-21 18:05:40 | <Solid> | yes that one |
| 2021-06-21 18:05:53 | <Solid> | I think the script itself I stole from someone else |
| 2021-06-21 18:06:28 | <Solid> | yes it's in the header: https://gitlab.com/slotThe/dotfiles/-/blob/master/scripts/.scripts/launchx |
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| 2021-06-21 18:30:08 | <Solid> | liskin: how was the hackathon? |
| 2021-06-21 18:31:18 | <liskin> | 23:10 <liskin> (I totally approve of the fuck responsibilities go to the beach instead plan though; this ZuriHac in the middle of vacation plan of mine was a terrible idea) |
| 2021-06-21 18:31:48 | <liskin> | it's the end of Monday and I haven't managed to watch any of the Sunday talks yet :-/ |
| 2021-06-21 18:32:11 | <Solid> | oh |
| 2021-06-21 18:32:17 | <liskin> | and I didn't write a single line of code either |
| 2021-06-21 18:32:32 | <liskin> | just messed up my brain and that's about all I got from it |
| 2021-06-21 18:32:45 | <liskin> | oh, actually, there was one positive thing |
| 2021-06-21 18:32:48 | <Solid> | it's never too late to say "fuck it" and go to the beach! |
| 2021-06-21 18:33:02 | <liskin> | it is actually |
| 2021-06-21 18:33:31 | <liskin> | there should be thunderstorms any hour now |
| 2021-06-21 18:33:40 | <liskin> | and we also don't have any real beaches :-) |
| 2021-06-21 18:34:28 | <liskin> | (just as I don't have proper "work", I don't have proper "vacation" either; it's just me being home catching up on all the social stuff that got postponed by covid) |
| 2021-06-21 18:34:34 | <liskin> | anyway |
| 2021-06-21 18:34:44 | <liskin> | I chatted with Brent Yorgey for a bit |
| 2021-06-21 18:35:44 | <Solid> | oh neat |
| 2021-06-21 18:36:05 | <liskin> | and I think we should actually try to find a fiscal sponsor like the open collective or something and start collecting donations for xmonad the project not liskin the lazy old fuck |
| 2021-06-21 18:36:47 | <liskin> | he liked the idea and said he can contact the other "old" guys if some action is necessary on their part |
| 2021-06-21 18:38:50 | <liskin> | if I understand it correctly open collective would make it easier to companies to donate and get some meaningful paperwork for it, and it also lets us set up github sponsors for the xmonad org |
| 2021-06-21 18:39:43 | <liskin> | and then to get money out of it we'd send invoices or spend the funds on stuff like plane tickets to conferences or whatever |
| 2021-06-21 18:41:06 | <liskin> | oh and also some folks were trying to revive waymonad but it didn't seem they got very far during the hackathon, but at least they gathered some momentum and created a room on matrix |
| 2021-06-21 18:42:28 | <Solid> | I always wonder if this is really worth it for xmonad |
| 2021-06-21 18:42:45 | <Solid> | how many donations would we realistically even get |
| 2021-06-21 18:50:53 | <liskin> | taskwarrior has 54 sponsors now: https://github.com/sponsors/GothenburgBitFactory |
| 2021-06-21 18:51:18 | <liskin> | as a result of 40 hours of writing e-mails to the hardcore fans and users |
| 2021-06-21 18:51:31 | <liskin> | (I know because I asked) |
| 2021-06-21 18:51:46 | <liskin> | and Brent said he'd donate :-) |
| 2021-06-21 18:52:49 | <liskin> | but yeah, I totally share your concerns, it's a bit of a catch 22 |
| 2021-06-21 18:53:33 | <liskin> | without doing the paperwork, we can't hope to attract sponsorships from companies and even individuals may be reluctant to sponsor the project without an official profile |
| 2021-06-21 18:53:56 | <liskin> | but doing the paperwork is a very real amount of work that's not fun at all |
| 2021-06-21 18:54:57 | <liskin> | but yeah, getting enough money to actually pay for a full time developer is probably unreal |
| 2021-06-21 18:59:38 | <liskin> | on the other hand, if a couple FAANG guys donated one hour of their pay each … :-) |
| 2021-06-21 18:59:43 | <liskin> | just a silly dream though |
| 2021-06-21 19:01:10 | <liskin> | but how else do we make xmonad sustainable? :-/ |
| 2021-06-21 19:02:10 | <Solid> | realistically? try to attract more people who will actually contribute |
| 2021-06-21 19:02:36 | <Solid> | would seem like a lot less work of it was split between like 5+ people |
| 2021-06-21 19:03:04 | <Solid> | I mean, I can understand the want for like an official profile |
| 2021-06-21 19:03:10 | <liskin> | yeah but the work that needs to be done isn't all that exciting |
| 2021-06-21 19:03:32 | <Solid> | it would perhaps encourage people more than to donate to invividual devs |
| 2021-06-21 19:04:07 | <liskin> | it's an old project that needs maintenance, and new people want to contribute new code usually |
| 2021-06-21 19:04:52 | <Solid> | mh I suppose that's correct |
| 2021-06-21 19:04:55 | <liskin> | (mc47 being a very welcome exception) |
| 2021-06-21 19:05:30 | <liskin> | I mean, he did contribute some new code, but also looks at PRs, did the website, and the new code just happened to clean up some old code as well |
| 2021-06-21 19:05:56 | <Solid> | indeed |
| 2021-06-21 19:06:14 | <liskin> | most other people who tried to contribute in the last few months have been net negative so far, and would require quite a bit more mentoring to start being useful |
| 2021-06-21 19:07:12 | <liskin> | (or we could lower the bar :-)) |
| 2021-06-21 19:07:49 | <Solid> | people will manage |
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| 2021-06-21 19:08:26 | <Solid> | well, some people will |
| 2021-06-21 19:08:38 | <Solid> | and tbh I would rather have 1 long-term contributor than 10 drive-by contributions |
| 2021-06-21 19:08:42 | <liskin> | anyway, I wouldn't be suggesting the open collective if I didn't believe we could pull it off |
| 2021-06-21 19:08:55 | <liskin> | unfortunately I haven't talked to anyone who uses it |
| 2021-06-21 19:08:59 | <liskin> | maybe I should |
| 2021-06-21 19:09:12 | <liskin> | but the impression I got from the website is that it shouldn't actually be all that complicated :-) |
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| 2021-06-21 19:10:33 | <Solid> | I mean, it's not like I'm against this or anything |
| 2021-06-21 19:10:46 | <Solid> | if you think we can pull it off I'm ready to support any efforts |
| 2021-06-21 19:11:16 | <liskin> | I'd say I'm being slightly more optimistic than before |
| 2021-06-21 19:11:35 | <liskin> | and I'd love to know what others think, especially geekosaur |
| 2021-06-21 19:12:38 | <liskin> | the guy from taskwarrior I talked to offered to help me a bit, possibly because I spent like a month contributing to one of his projects last year :-) |
| 2021-06-21 19:12:53 | <liskin> | (like an actual full time month) |
| 2021-06-21 19:13:39 | <liskin> | so I guess I'll try to gather more wisdom here and there |
| 2021-06-21 19:14:40 | <geekosaur> | what am I supposed to be having an opinion on, aside from something about sponsorship? |
| 2021-06-21 19:15:18 | <Solid> | exactly on that one |
| 2021-06-21 19:17:04 | <liskin> | geekosaur: specifically about xmonad the project having a fiscal sponsor and being able to officially accept donations as a project |
| 2021-06-21 19:17:38 | <geekosaur> | love to see it but don't have any suggestions on tap as to how |
| 2021-06-21 19:17:56 | <geekosaur> | maybe have a word with the haskell foundation although I think we're a bit tinier than they care about |
| 2021-06-21 19:18:44 | <liskin> | we could ask them if they offer this but I don't think they do, their focus is a bit different I think |
| 2021-06-21 19:19:19 | <liskin> | I was thinking of something like the open collective, software freedom concervancy, software in public interest, that sort of thing |
| 2021-06-21 19:19:44 | <liskin> | they do this for free, just take a couple percent cut from any funds that flow through |
| 2021-06-21 19:20:01 | <liskin> | open collective accepts any project with over 100 stars on github |
| 2021-06-21 19:20:25 | <liskin> | (sounds a bit funny but it means we qualify 100%) |
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| 2021-06-21 21:16:43 | <dminuoso> | Anyone else install xmonad via nixos? It seems that containers in extraPackages is null since 21.05 and I cant find out why |
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| 2021-06-22 01:13:04 | <craige[m]> | I am. |
| 2021-06-22 01:13:40 | <craige[m]> | I don't use containers though dminuoso |
| 2021-06-22 01:15:11 | <craige[m]> | Here's my config dminuoso - https://source.mcwhirter.io/craige/mio-ops/src/branch/consensus/profiles/xmonad.nix |
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