Logs: freenode/#xmonad
| 2021-03-19 09:02:23 | <mc47> | Solid I understood the first option anyway ;) |
| 2021-03-19 09:03:24 | <mc47> | Regarding the screenshot, I think we should figure out where we put them |
| 2021-03-19 09:03:45 | <Solid> | oh, btw, another wiki site we should definitely mirror on the website and update: https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Installing_xmonad |
| 2021-03-19 09:04:16 | <Solid> | screenshots on hackage are a bit iffy I agree; afaik there's no way to constrain their dimensions |
| 2021-03-19 09:04:32 | <Solid> | and we don't want huge screenshots to kill the page layout |
| 2021-03-19 09:04:53 | <Solid> | the modules that have them usually just hide them behind some alt text you need to lick |
| 2021-03-19 09:04:57 | <Solid> | s/lick/click/ |
| 2021-03-19 09:06:44 | <mc47> | hmm, so maybe a layout gallery in the website, and reference the images from there? |
| 2021-03-19 09:07:01 | <Liskni_si> | https://docs.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-community/changing-access-permissions-for-wikis |
| 2021-03-19 09:07:31 | <Liskni_si> | might be an interesting experiment to migrate content from haskell wiki and let everyone edit it |
| 2021-03-19 09:07:43 | <Liskni_si> | no idea if people are going to vandalize it or not :-) |
| 2021-03-19 09:08:00 | <Solid> | the answer is probably going to be "yes" :P |
| 2021-03-19 09:08:21 | <mc47> | isn't it a normal repo that you can submit PRs to? |
| 2021-03-19 09:08:24 | <Liskni_si> | then the next question is: is that really a problem? |
| 2021-03-19 09:08:41 | <Liskni_si> | mc47: I researched that yesterday; no, there aren't PRs for wikis |
| 2021-03-19 09:09:14 | <Liskni_si> | it is a repo underneath, one that can be cloned and probably pushed to (not sure by whom), but no UI for it other than the wiki |
| 2021-03-19 09:10:30 | <mc47> | I'm optimistic that nothing terribly bad would happen |
| 2021-03-19 09:10:55 | <Liskni_si> | not sure how others are comfortable with using github for this, but the hypothesis is that making it easier to find and way easier to edit might attract more people to keep it up to date |
| 2021-03-19 09:11:18 | <Liskni_si> | and I have absolutely no idea if it will end up better or worse |
| 2021-03-19 09:11:31 | <Liskni_si> | wikipedia and openstreetmap are doing quite good, so I'd hope for the best |
| 2021-03-19 09:11:47 | <mc47> | I remember I wanted to change something in the wiki during the summer, but I needed a special account to do it and I dropped it |
| 2021-03-19 09:12:06 | <mc47> | I think it's important to keep the overhead to a minimum |
| 2021-03-19 09:12:28 | <Liskni_si> | yeah I don't have an account either, and I'm actually old enough to have one |
| 2021-03-19 09:13:36 | <Solid> | wikipedia still has some form of moderation, at least for new contributors |
| 2021-03-19 09:13:52 | <Solid> | your changes won't go live until someone with authority has approved them (for better or for worse) |
| 2021-03-19 09:14:07 | <Solid> | but I mean we can certainly try it |
| 2021-03-19 09:14:33 | <Solid> | it's not like I judge the "tiling window manager people who also really like haskell"-community to be particularly malicious :) |
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| 2021-03-19 09:17:12 | <Liskni_si> | also if someone actually puts "xmonad is for faggots" in there, people will probably not take it at face value |
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| 2021-03-19 10:02:00 | <mc47> | are there any comments left on https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/450 ? |
| 2021-03-19 10:02:43 | <Liskni_si> | 11:13 <Liskni_si> so a quick update: I started to look at DynamicIcons last week, I'm going to merge it and submit a cleanup PR, so no need to bother with that one |
| 2021-03-19 10:02:59 | <mc47> | I mised that, thanks! |
| 2021-03-19 10:04:33 | <Guest14> | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19361186 floating vs tiling, what I like about floating is there is only one window at focus everything is in the background while in tiling you have them all in screen with sorta no depth to them. Floating can messy after a while though. I really feel the cognitive overload with tiling wms. I love Xmonad but |
| 2021-03-19 10:04:33 | <Guest14> | still. |
| 2021-03-19 10:06:26 | <Guest14> | in floating wm/de there is only one thing going at a time that user is engaging with. |
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| 2021-03-19 10:09:53 | <mc47> | I guess it's the same story as "Vim/emacs Vs. the rest" |
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| 2021-03-19 10:11:21 | <Guest14> | mc47 window is never sort of right size, either too big or too small and never centered. I feel window/workspace organization is nice in TWM but focus/eye rest is better in Floating WM |
| 2021-03-19 10:11:39 | <Guest14> | all windows flat |
| 2021-03-19 10:12:10 | <Guest14> | it has pros that's why I am sticking to it I think |
| 2021-03-19 10:12:55 | <mc47> | it's a personal preference, my eyes likes where xmonad puts my windows :)) |
| 2021-03-19 10:13:00 | <Guest14> | but every once in a while I use floating de/wm and see the reduction in cognitive overhead and easier ability to focus, instead of fidgeting between workspaces |
| 2021-03-19 10:13:39 | <mc47> | I end-up pulling my hair off when I boot into windows to game a bit lol |
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| 2021-03-19 10:14:20 | <Guest14> | mc47 yeah, as soon as you start trying to manage windows, floating wm is crap |
| 2021-03-19 10:14:28 | <Guest14> | then I feel why I am on Xmonad |
| 2021-03-19 10:14:41 | <Guest14> | mc47 you mean master/stack layout (the one you like)? |
| 2021-03-19 10:15:24 | <mc47> | that's what I use 80% of the time, and it does the job just right |
| 2021-03-19 10:15:29 | <Guest14> | I guess there's very little feedback in tiling WM, where as in modern DE you get visual preview etc |
| 2021-03-19 10:15:40 | <Guest14> | *visual feedback |
| 2021-03-19 10:15:47 | <Guest14> | when switching windows |
| 2021-03-19 10:15:49 | <mc47> | what do you mean with visual preview? |
| 2021-03-19 10:17:00 | <Guest14> | switching between 3 applications I can just alt tab and release the key when I see preview of window, where in tiling wm I have to either remember the workspace or mod + j k until my window is highlighter with border (little visual difference) |
| 2021-03-19 10:17:07 | <Guest14> | you get what I am trying to say? |
| 2021-03-19 10:17:34 | <Guest14> | so 2 windows in stack is good I think, more is just mess |
| 2021-03-19 10:17:47 | <mc47> | I see what you mean |
| 2021-03-19 10:18:21 | <mc47> | nothing inherent about tiling window managers stop you from doing that, except that no one bothered to implement it |
| 2021-03-19 10:18:28 | <Guest14> | also titlebars, I feel windows in TWM are naked, all look similar except the content |
| 2021-03-19 10:18:47 | <mc47> | pretty sure you could add titlebars |
| 2021-03-19 10:18:49 | <Guest14> | title attached to window with bar sorta makes it complete |
| 2021-03-19 10:19:03 | <Guest14> | anyways, just rambling |
| 2021-03-19 10:19:29 | <Guest14> | mc47 thanks for listening |
| 2021-03-19 10:19:50 | <Guest14> | mc47 I think you said you use mate + xmonad or kde + xmonad |
| 2021-03-19 10:19:52 | <Guest14> | or wasn't you |
| 2021-03-19 10:20:01 | <Guest14> | when I asked earlier few days ago |
| 2021-03-19 10:20:10 | <mc47> | it was a nice discussion |
| 2021-03-19 10:20:12 | <mc47> | kde+xmonad |
| 2021-03-19 10:20:24 | <mc47> | and it was yesterday :D |
| 2021-03-19 10:21:56 | <Guest14> | what parts of kde you find useful for using it together with xmonad? Status bar/menu? |
| 2021-03-19 10:22:01 | <Solid> | Guest14: there's nothing stopping you from only using the Full layout =) |
| 2021-03-19 10:23:27 | <mc47> | Guest14 tbh I just liked accessing the system settings, and didn't want to fiddle with power-management alone |
| 2021-03-19 10:23:31 | <mc47> | pretty sure I don't need KDE |
| 2021-03-19 10:23:42 | <Guest14> | Solid yeah I guess but full layout for every app is not good either, sometimes it just needs to be it's size, otherwise it's stretched out too wide. You know, exact size of window where my eyes can fit to it. |
| 2021-03-19 10:23:57 | <Guest14> | mc47 oh makes sense, thanks! |
| 2021-03-19 10:24:01 | <mc47> | I just thought "let me try xmonad" and i've been here ever since |
| 2021-03-19 10:24:05 | <Guest14> | Solid checked nixos by any chance? |
| 2021-03-19 10:24:24 | <Guest14> | mc47 yeah, XMonad/dwm is where WM hopping stops |
| 2021-03-19 10:24:41 | <Solid> | still don't have access to that machine, sorry :( |
| 2021-03-19 10:25:36 | <Guest14> | no probs, I never seen such shitty bug. |
| 2021-03-19 10:25:46 | <Guest14> | it's 3rd day I think I am trying to fix it |
| 2021-03-19 10:26:04 | <Guest14> | it's beyond my level of knowledge |
| 2021-03-19 10:26:41 | <Solid> | btw, for what's it's worth: I feel _less_ cognitive load when using a tiler because I know exactly where new windows will appear |
| 2021-03-19 10:26:45 | <Solid> | no surprises |
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| 2021-03-19 10:28:28 | <Guest14> | Solid in floating wm, applications have nice sizes by default, firefox/vscode always full when opened, konsole 80x20 I think? and many more. just saying. |
| 2021-03-19 10:29:17 | <Solid> | but do I want that to always happen? |
| 2021-03-19 10:29:32 | <Solid> | I can think of plenty of circumstances where I don't want to open Emacs in fullscreen mode |
| 2021-03-19 10:29:40 | <Solid> | and where I do want a fullscreen terminal |
| 2021-03-19 10:30:09 | <Solid> | and applications "remembering" their last used size was always a source or great annoyance for me when I still used floaters |
| 2021-03-19 10:30:32 | <Guest14> | Solid fair enough. I think when using TWM you have to stick to its philosophy. everything organized/predefined. from placement to size and workspaces |
| 2021-03-19 10:31:12 | <Guest14> | I think that's my issue, just opening up bunch of stuff in workspaces |
| 2021-03-19 10:35:36 | <Guest14> | Solid I saw your rice, gonna copy/learn bunch of stuff from yours and Lisknis. |
| 2021-03-19 10:38:12 | <Solid> | I hope it'll help you out :) |
| 2021-03-19 10:38:51 | <Guest14> | (y) |
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