Logs: freenode/#xmonad
| 2021-03-17 09:37:02 | <Liskni_si> | I don't think you understand that fully |
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| 2021-03-17 09:37:22 | <Liskni_si> | Matrix bridges all of freenode, but it's not visible in the search by default |
| 2021-03-17 09:37:23 | <mc47[m]> | test |
| 2021-03-17 09:37:32 | <mc47> | OH |
| 2021-03-17 09:37:42 | <Liskni_si> | and there's another channel that _is_ visible in search, but isn't bridged |
| 2021-03-17 09:38:49 | <Solid> | oh really? interesting |
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| 2021-03-17 09:39:43 | <Liskni_si> | I mean, the "we should use a more modern communication platform" discussion did bear some fruits: the Matrix-only channel was broken and some users couldn't join, and the IRC-bridge channel was muted because we had some anti-spam channel mode and the Matrix bridge didn't understand and show the error messages |
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| 2021-03-17 09:40:17 | <Liskni_si> | but having the primary Matrix channel bridged like some other communities have would probably be better |
| 2021-03-17 09:40:53 | <Liskni_si> | I think heck-to-the-gnom first tried using that channel and only later figured out that here they're much more likely to get a response |
| 2021-03-17 09:41:24 | <Solid> | any chance reaching out to the person in charge of the channel? |
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| 2021-03-17 09:45:19 | <Liskni_si> | they've replied to me in the past, so yeah, probably an option |
| 2021-03-17 09:45:27 | <Liskni_si> | according to https://matrix.org/bridges/, what we need is a plumbed room |
| 2021-03-17 09:46:18 | <Liskni_si> | seems like that could link to #xmonad on Slack as well |
| 2021-03-17 09:47:21 | <mc47> | I didn't know all these possibilities! |
| 2021-03-17 09:47:36 | <Liskni_si> | #vimwiki has such a setup: matrix users are [m] puppets, and telegram users are bridgebot-style, so their messages come from a bot |
| 2021-03-17 09:47:50 | <Liskni_si> | it's a bit difficult to read then, though |
| 2021-03-17 09:48:22 | <Liskni_si> | my brain expects the nickname in a certain spot on the screen, so bridgebot-style messages look so weird |
| 2021-03-17 09:49:00 | <Liskni_si> | I don't know if we'd have to run the bridge ourselves or whether the matrix.org bridges can do plumbing for us |
| 2021-03-17 09:49:38 | <Liskni_si> | (running the bridge ourselves will additionally mean having to get an i-line from freenode admins…) |
| 2021-03-17 09:51:03 | <mc47> | I think we should first make the options more visible (for example, say that using matrix to bridge to the IRC is possible) and see what the users say |
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| 2021-03-17 09:55:35 | <Solid> | +1 |
| 2021-03-17 09:55:44 | <Solid> | perhaps put it on the new and immproved website... :) |
| 2021-03-17 09:55:58 | <mc47> | definitely! |
| 2021-03-17 09:56:17 | <mc47> | another really important thing IMO is that we have a pile of good first issues |
| 2021-03-17 09:57:02 | <Solid> | that is a good point |
| 2021-03-17 09:57:23 | <mc47> | I have a couple on my mind that I'll probably open today or tomorrow (I'm tired of looking at screens for so long) and someone else should set the labels ;) |
| 2021-03-17 09:57:34 | <Solid> | I also think that we should clean out the labels somewhat |
| 2021-03-17 09:58:32 | <Solid> | like I can see that it's has the topic layout because the module is in X.Layout :D |
| 2021-03-17 09:58:40 | <Solid> | s/it's/it/ |
| 2021-03-17 09:59:15 | <mc47> | I mean, that could still be useful.. for example a user wants to learn more about layouts, so they search for layout issues |
| 2021-03-17 09:59:50 | <mc47> | some labels are useful for reviewers, some are useful for new contributors |
| 2021-03-17 10:00:47 | <Liskni_si> | I don't actually look at the labels at all :-) |
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| 2021-03-17 10:01:32 | <Liskni_si> | sometimes I use them because they're there, but they don't help me at all, I just keep all of it in my memory or in taskwarrior or inbox |
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| 2021-03-17 10:04:27 | <Solid> | mh true, labels are probably especially useful for new cotributors |
| 2021-03-17 10:08:23 | <mc47> | Kinda off-topic, but one of the other students submitted this PR to vscode... you HAVE to check it out :) https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/pull/119105 |
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| 2021-03-17 10:28:01 | <Solid> | LOL |
| 2021-03-17 10:28:06 | <Solid> | that's amazing |
| 2021-03-17 10:34:07 | <mc47> | https://zulip.in.tum.de/user_uploads/2/11/4jI6X6r2CsUPf2VN_So52RFW/image.png :D |
| 2021-03-17 10:35:49 | <mc47> | Oh I remembered something that we discussed yesterday, and I think it's really important to point out: we should prioritize PRs from first contributors |
| 2021-03-17 10:37:09 | <mc47> | it's really good to get at least a comment right away, something along the lines of "Thank you for your contribution" and maybe also say if we're busy or something that the review would take more time |
| 2021-03-17 10:37:35 | <mc47> | and I think it's better to merge them ASAP, and even push to their branch for minor fixes |
| 2021-03-17 10:38:09 | <mc47> | not sure if we should setup a bot to mark these PRs or to provide an automated response, or even assign a reviewer based on some criterion |
| 2021-03-17 10:38:34 | <Solid> | mc47: I need to log in to see that image ;) |
| 2021-03-17 10:38:44 | <mc47> | oh wait |
| 2021-03-17 10:39:04 | <mc47> | it's just a meme haha |
| 2021-03-17 10:39:08 | <Solid> | :D |
| 2021-03-17 10:41:14 | <mc47> | https://i.ibb.co/2cYYR71/proprietary.png |
| 2021-03-17 10:41:48 | <Solid> | hahahaha |
| 2021-03-17 10:52:00 | <Liskni_si> | we need to figure out a way to turn all these "we need" and "we should" into stuff that gets actually done |
| 2021-03-17 10:52:28 | <Liskni_si> | (and the irony of that statement being a "we need" is obviously not lost on me) |
| 2021-03-17 10:53:43 | <Liskni_si> | it would be a good idea to give you both more authority than you currently have |
| 2021-03-17 10:55:49 | <Liskni_si> | being a maintainer shouldn't require having intimate understanding of all the code, what's actually needed is just good judgement |
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| 2021-03-17 11:17:02 | <mc47> | Stuff should definitely get done, I wanted to know what others think before trying to take action |
| 2021-03-17 11:18:56 | <mc47> | I'm not sure what I'd do with more authority, except having a greater feeling of responsibility :) |
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| 2021-03-17 11:44:03 | <Liskni_si> | I imagine the process could be like "I think we should do X" "yeah indeed go ahead" "hey look it's done" rather than "I thik we should do X" "yeah indeed we should :-/" "remember how I told you a couple months ago we should do X? I still think that would be helpful" "yeah sorry" |
| 2021-03-17 11:44:44 | <Liskni_si> | I'm already above my head in coding, there's little chance I'll ever get to something like labels |
| 2021-03-17 11:45:54 | <Liskni_si> | and unless I missed something, mc47 can't touch the labels without being a member of at least the Contributors team |
| 2021-03-17 11:47:56 | <Solid> | I think so yes |
| 2021-03-17 11:48:10 | <Solid> | I can add/delete labels in contrib |
| 2021-03-17 11:48:27 | <mc47> | I can't touch them true |
| 2021-03-17 11:48:42 | <Solid> | (but not core because I'm not a maintainer, but only a collaborator) |
| 2021-03-17 11:51:25 | <Liskni_si> | obviously I wouldn't want to put more responsibility on someone who doesn't want that responsibility, but if you actually intend to be active around xmonad, you might as well get the authority to do stuff without having to wait several days for reviews for every little thing |
| 2021-03-17 11:54:29 | <mc47> | I guess I'm open for responsibility |
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| 2021-03-17 12:07:30 | <mc47> | This is an interesting bot that we could use to manage first contributors https://github.com/behaviorbot/welcome |
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| 2021-03-17 12:44:55 | <Solid> | mh it may be worth a shot |
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| 2021-03-17 13:27:32 | <geekosaur> | "We’re writing to let you know that an independent bug bounty researcher recently reported a GitHub Actions bug that, in theory, could have allowed an unauthorized user to fork a public repository which uses Actions and perform a series of steps to edit the main branch or use the GITHUB_TOKEN to perform other unauthorized actions. This bug |
| 2021-03-17 13:27:33 | <geekosaur> | existed in a very brief window from February 4 to February 5, 2021." |
| 2021-03-17 13:35:43 | <Solid> | yikes |
| 2021-03-17 13:38:21 | <geekosaur> | yeh. I don't think we have a big problem though |
| 2021-03-17 13:39:44 | <Liskni_si> | if anyone pushed anywhere, I'd gotten a notification through rss, and anything that happens to issues/prs goes in my mailbox; I don't think there's much else that can be done with that token |
| 2021-03-17 13:39:54 | <Liskni_si> | *'d have gotten |
| 2021-03-17 13:40:57 | <geekosaur> | right, that's my thought as well |
| 2021-03-17 13:41:55 | <geekosaur> | except for the hint that it could have edited undetectably (it is possible for a maintainer to directly edit the repo, and apparently someone holding the GITHUB_TOKEN briefly had that ability as well) |
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| 2021-03-17 13:43:17 | <geekosaur> | well, not entoirely undetectably, but no PR invlved. there'd still be a related diff |
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