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| 2026-03-13 02:04:13 | <Axman6> | Is hackage down for anyone else? I'vew been getting Varnish errors since yesterday |
| 2026-03-13 02:04:35 | <geekosaur> | currently under maintenance, previously decidedly iffy for over a week |
| 2026-03-13 02:04:36 | <Axman6> | Apparently planned maintenance |
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| 2026-03-13 02:14:07 | <Axman6> | Well at least local hoogle server works in this repo! |
| 2026-03-13 02:16:14 | <davean> | geekosaur: yah we're moving boxes on it to one with more RAM. |
| 2026-03-13 02:16:14 | <geekosaur> | fwiw I've been using Flora and Stackage for lookups. (Now if only the CI build that's currently stuck could…) |
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| 2026-03-13 02:18:30 | <geekosaur> | also I think https://hoogle.mangoiv.com |
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| 2026-03-13 03:44:44 | <davean> | Hackage is back up on a more properly sized but notably more expensive box. Pour one out for HF's wallet. |
| 2026-03-13 03:49:48 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> great davean. How much ram now ? |
| 2026-03-13 03:50:47 | <davean> | sm: doubled to 64GiB, slightly slower CPUs which might not be ideal but was what was available, but hackage's main issue is that it is an entirely in-memory DB (acid-state) so it eats RAM |
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| 2026-03-13 03:53:20 | <davean> | Just loading the data off disk is 24GiB |
| 2026-03-13 03:54:14 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> that should help a lot. Browsing feels good |
| 2026-03-13 03:54:44 | <davean> | well, don't consider it solved yet, we need full load to return. |
| 2026-03-13 03:54:50 | <davean> | but yes, it should |
| 2026-03-13 03:55:00 | <davean> | its twice the RAM but its like 3x the cost now. |
| 2026-03-13 03:55:42 | <davean> | Because thats how prices roll. We'll need a longer term solution or HF to figure out the bill long term. I'd prefer both frankly. |
| 2026-03-13 03:55:50 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I'm guessing.. $500/mo |
| 2026-03-13 03:55:53 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> ? |
| 2026-03-13 03:56:02 | <davean> | Right ballpark but short by a bit |
| 2026-03-13 03:56:15 | <davean> | I think it is like $560 |
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| 2026-03-13 03:58:03 | <davean> | I'll be honest, if I had a budget I'd just have done this from the start, but money is tight. |
| 2026-03-13 03:58:24 | <davean> | The spreadsheet had a "this might be good enough" next to the hackage line from the start |
| 2026-03-13 03:58:35 | <davean> | and, it was, for a while, and it progressively got worse. |
| 2026-03-13 03:59:01 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> +1 |
| 2026-03-13 04:00:08 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I suppose there'll be another peak in about 20h where it's getting crawled or whatever |
| 2026-03-13 04:00:44 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> good luck new hackage |
| 2026-03-13 04:00:52 | <probie> | Move away from acid-state? |
| 2026-03-13 04:00:54 | <davean> | watch it, but I honestly expect this to solve it mostly. |
| 2026-03-13 04:00:59 | <davean> | probie: Thats a HUGE project |
| 2026-03-13 04:01:11 | <davean> | I mean I did work on it, but then I had to plan an entire migration of all haskell infra |
| 2026-03-13 04:01:14 | <davean> | and now I'm burned out :-p |
| 2026-03-13 04:01:38 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> somebody might vibe code a rust rewrite |
| 2026-03-13 04:01:41 | <davean> | I'm just starting to enjoy anything related to haskell again |
| 2026-03-13 04:01:59 | <davean> | sm: haha. I have a runnign hackage core which can be multimaster :) |
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| 2026-03-13 04:08:51 | <geekosaur> | you're free to fork and rewrite hackage-server; it'll be a lot of work |
| 2026-03-13 04:09:40 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> well thanks for your work davean. Are you being compensated ? I hope so. (No intent to pry if that's not public info) |
| 2026-03-13 04:12:04 | <statusbot> | Maintenance update: Hackage is back up and with more resources provisioned. -- http://status.haskell.org/pages/maintenance/537c07b0cf1fad5830000093/69b3665ff71ca90595aa36fb |
| 2026-03-13 04:12:11 | <davean> | sm: lol no |
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| 2026-03-13 04:16:42 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> feels like there ought to be more money in this ecosystem |
| 2026-03-13 04:18:48 | <davean> | sm: well, we'd need better fundraising. |
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| 2026-03-13 04:23:42 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I know there's some great donors, but it seems not enough.. |
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| 2026-03-13 04:28:37 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> certainly we shouldn't be burning out unpaid maintainers of critical systems. If I become emperor, Haskell will be recognised as a distinguished world technology to receive at least sustainabilty funding. |
| 2026-03-13 04:29:35 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> It can happen. I'll vision it. Not the emperor part. |
| 2026-03-13 04:31:31 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> but people like jmct are here and have a much better grasp of the situation. Are we drastically underfunded given Haskell's value to humanity ? Or not so much ? |
| 2026-03-13 04:32:10 | <davean> | jmct went to bed when hackage came back up |
| 2026-03-13 04:32:36 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> +1 |
| 2026-03-13 04:34:01 | <davean> | Talk to jmct tomorrow maybe |
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