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| 2025-11-06 07:02:55 | <deebo> | using xmonad over mate desktop, can i somehow make notifications respect my panels like xmonad in general does? |
| 2025-11-06 07:03:18 | <deebo> | "mate-notification-daemon" ~ _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NOTIFICATION |
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| 2025-11-06 15:57:05 | <geekosaur> | deebo: mine already does, and I'm not doing anything special for it |
| 2025-11-06 15:58:25 | <deebo> | hmm, mine doesnt, have to check if i'm properly extending the mateconfig |
| 2025-11-06 15:59:32 | <geekosaur> | that said, notification windows are unmanaged so I think it's mate-notification-daemon that has to do it itself |
| 2025-11-06 15:59:51 | <geekosaur> | (they don't take focus and use their own placement policy) |
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| 2025-11-07 16:35:16 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Any update on Xmonad for Wayland? I read the threads on Haskell discord but I haven't heard of any major milestones being achieved. |
| 2025-11-07 16:35:56 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I'm on Ubuntu 22.04. I can stay on it for up to 32.04 so in 2032, I'll need to either leave it on 22.04 or get another distro that would still support X11 |
| 2025-11-07 16:36:26 | <geekosaur> | both threads seem to have died, so we're back to square one |
| 2025-11-07 16:36:30 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I also manage this patch for KDE https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/174 |
| 2025-11-07 16:36:37 | <geekosaur> | and with a hint that this nut is harder to crack than we'd hoped |
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| 2025-11-07 16:36:48 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> So I'll need to patch plasma as well for it. |
| 2025-11-07 16:37:07 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Then we'll just need to figure out a way to keep X11 alive! |
| 2025-11-07 16:37:25 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> https://x11libre.net/ I found this while researching |
| 2025-11-07 16:38:40 | <geekosaur> | yes, but if you scan back in here you'll find some, uh, potential issues |
| 2025-11-07 16:38:52 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> geekosaur: what's your distro? |
| 2025-11-07 16:40:04 | <geekosaur> | ubuntu, I'm on 25.04 and resisting moving to 25.10 because gnome loses x11 support there and I may potentially lose google drive support as a result |
| 2025-11-07 16:40:20 | <geekosaur> | (mate defers to gnome for authentication for it) |
| 2025-11-07 16:40:51 | <geekosaur> | considering moving to debian stable on the theory they'll hold on to x11 a bit longer |
| 2025-11-07 16:41:19 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Sigh. I don't like this situation at all. |
| 2025-11-07 16:42:09 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I use KDE and KDE provides on Kubuntu, X11 session, but not by default, on 25.10 and assumingly next year on 26.04 |
| 2025-11-07 16:43:20 | <geekosaur> | right, that's why I'm not upgrading to it |
| 2025-11-07 16:44:45 | <geekosaur> | and upgrading to a non-LTS version of ubuntu turns out to have been a major mistake; I should have stuck with the LTS. but at the time I don't think we knew the rug was going to be pulled so quickly |
| 2025-11-07 16:45:13 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> You can always reinstall with 24.04 LTS. Is that an option for you? |
| 2025-11-07 16:45:49 | <geekosaur> | yes, but if I have to reinstall anyway, I figure I might want to reinstall to something more likely to retain X11 support |
| 2025-11-07 16:46:08 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> That's also what I'm thinking. |
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| 2025-11-07 16:48:31 | <geekosaur> | (and not only for xmonad; there are still a number of things Wayland doesn't handle) |
| 2025-11-07 16:49:13 | <geekosaur> | oh, if you checked backscroll liskin mentioned a turbocharged X11-under-wayland that allows X11 window managers to work |
| 2025-11-07 16:49:37 | <geekosaur> | with the potential downside of having to hack things up to not autostart wayland versions of e.g. notification daemons |
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| 2025-11-07 16:52:04 | <geekosaur> | since ubuntu gives me a wayland session (that I'm not logged into) I may test liskin's thing at some point |
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| 2025-11-07 16:54:39 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch05.html currently reading up on this |
| 2025-11-07 16:57:07 | <geekosaur> | oh, the bigger problem is mroe and more things are going to remove X11 support (gnome already has, which is why ubuntu 25.10 is problematic for me because that version lands then) |
| 2025-11-07 16:58:12 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Hopefully by then some new distros that support X11 will come out. Who knows. |
| 2025-11-07 16:58:37 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> But yeah, applications lacking X11 support is going to cause a problem |
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