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| 2025-04-28 20:30:51 | <OftenFaded> | If I only value stability/reliability, should I go with dzen or xmobar? Or what question should I ask myself when choosing between these two? |
| 2025-04-28 20:31:46 | <L29Ah> | "why do i need a bar" |
| 2025-04-28 20:31:51 | <geekosaur> | dzen does less, so it would be more stable and more reliable… for the very little it does |
| 2025-04-28 20:32:19 | <geekosaur> | xmobar, flip side, is more reliable than the plethora of gtk-based bars |
| 2025-04-28 20:32:43 | <geekosaur> | with all their fancy shenanigans |
| 2025-04-28 20:32:45 | L29Ah | has one-line-high urxvt window on one of his workspaces, perhaps that qualifies as a bar |
| 2025-04-28 20:33:05 | <geekosaur> | sounds like you reinvented dzen 😛 |
| 2025-04-28 20:33:17 | <L29Ah> | no, dzen has some crazy markup stuff |
| 2025-04-28 20:33:30 | <L29Ah> | while urxvt doesn't reinvent the wheel :> |
| 2025-04-28 20:34:52 | <OftenFaded> | for some reason I was expecting something like, "but xmobar is all haskell so it being formally verified code makes it more stable" |
| 2025-04-28 20:35:01 | <Digit> | if i were to bar, i tint2, but i dont bar in xmonad, no felt need to. partly because max stability is no bar. |
| 2025-04-28 20:35:37 | <OftenFaded> | Alright, yall have me half convinced I should just never worry about what time it is |
| 2025-04-28 20:35:47 | <L29Ah> | Digit: but but how do you look your time date temperature charge power |
| 2025-04-28 20:36:00 | <OftenFaded> | my thoughts exactly lol |
| 2025-04-28 20:36:05 | <L29Ah> | OftenFaded: urxvt. |
| 2025-04-28 20:36:28 | <geekosaur> | xmobar has had a lot of bugs, actually. "all haskell" falls apart when you have to make FFI calls to do anything useful, as you must with any GUI |
| 2025-04-28 20:36:46 | <L29Ah> | i must admit though a shell script calling `date` isn't the most energy efficient way to produce the date |
| 2025-04-28 20:37:05 | <L29Ah> | but good enough for a laptop |
| 2025-04-28 20:37:10 | <geekosaur> | judging by how fast pids increase on my system, it'd be in the noise |
| 2025-04-28 20:37:20 | <geekosaur> | (with nothing running, that is) |
| 2025-04-28 20:37:29 | <Digit> | got clock on my tmux, got clock on my prompt, got timestamps in irc, got a a gui analog clock in view on my other computer that spends most time on my sound therapy workspace, got clocks on my monitors tab in htop and tmux and likely somewhere else... always somewhere i can see the time in an instant. |
| 2025-04-28 20:38:26 | <OftenFaded> | well fug, I don't know how yall did that, but I no longer desire the bar life |
| 2025-04-28 20:38:49 | <L29Ah> | congrats on increasing your screen estate savings |
| 2025-04-28 20:39:20 | <Digit> | temps, i got in my monitors tmux session. power, i'm always plugged in. if i needed it, sure, i might look into putting that in a bar... maybe tint2. n_n |
| 2025-04-28 20:40:54 | <OftenFaded> | wait, should I really be using urxvt in an xmonad env? Is it more stable than alacritty? |
| 2025-04-28 20:41:49 | <L29Ah> | OftenFaded: https://github.com/l29ah/misc/blob/master/suck/terminal-emulators#L26 maybe |
| 2025-04-28 20:47:08 | <Digit> | OftenFaded: urxvt's a fair choice. (I say after re-consulting my spreadsheet to work out my terminal preference: http://ks392457.kimsufi.com/stuff/scrots/2025-04-09-121424_1920x1080_scrot.png ) ... tho alacrity does score 2nd highest overall there. but then i didnt score for stability at all apparently. |
| 2025-04-28 20:48:22 | <OftenFaded> | stability wasn't scored because one shouldn't consider the stability of terms? I guess they are one of the more naturally stable tools in software world |
| 2025-04-28 20:49:12 | <OftenFaded> | Sorry for asking endless questions. I'm a hobbyist who's blundered my way forward for way too long--trying to do more avoidance of the blunders before they arise you could say |
| 2025-04-28 20:49:17 | <Digit> | been a st user long time, xterm(/yeahconsole) mostly before that, ... stability never bit me, and so never entered my mind. |
| 2025-04-28 20:49:55 | <Digit> | blunders teach. sometimes they're the right mistakes to make. |
| 2025-04-28 20:50:15 | <OftenFaded> | I can break any and everything without trying too--I may have a neverb4-diagnosed condition |
| 2025-04-28 21:00:26 | <Digit> | well, you probably dont need one of those to pick a good term for ricing in xmonad, but it helps. sfe ;) |
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| 2025-04-28 21:06:48 | <geekosaur> | "human fuzzer" |
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| 2025-04-28 21:11:36 | <OftenFaded> | ricing is no longer the focus (don't have the creativity for it). I need to stick with tools that break least often and are most effortlessly repairable when I inevitably do break them. |
| 2025-04-28 21:12:21 | <OftenFaded> | hoping xmonad dethrones i3 for me in this endeavour |
| 2025-04-28 21:16:16 | <Digit> | i've basically not changed my xmonad config in over a dozen years. updated, re-wrote once for upgrade, but no change. that's fair sign of having unbroken my workflow from rice squirrelling. :) |
| 2025-04-28 21:19:15 | <geekosaur> | my basic config has lasted around that long as well, although the github repo doesn't show it. last major change was when I switched away from kde sometime in the late 2000s |
| 2025-04-28 21:23:42 | <OftenFaded> | geekosaur what made you switch away from kde, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 2025-04-28 21:24:29 | <geekosaur> | I liked it but I was running on a tiny netbook (600MHz, 2GB!) and it just got too heavy |
| 2025-04-28 21:26:34 | <Digit> | xmonad offers so much shiny potential, (and i've explored some, with prior more elaborate configs, even in kde), and yet still manages to be easy to settle down into something simple and practical. |
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| 2025-04-28 21:31:45 | <geekosaur> | (I mean using xmonad as wm for kde, which was easy in kde2/3 and got harder in kde4+. currently you need to patch and rebuild part of kde, the patch is in our issue tracker) |
| 2025-04-28 21:48:37 | <OftenFaded> | so a stable xmonad would stick to gnome/gtk packages instead? |
| 2025-04-28 21:51:48 | <geekosaur> | "packages" (apps) are fine. it's trying to use it as window manager for the DE that breaks |
| 2025-04-28 21:52:08 | <geekosaur> | but gnome breaks even worse there: it's not possible, the wm has to be a plugin to their DE |
| 2025-04-28 21:53:15 | <geekosaur> | someone would need to write an adapter in JS |
| 2025-04-28 22:06:02 | <OftenFaded> | Oh I see--I was locked in a 'this/that' perspective for a minute |
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| 2025-04-29 00:54:55 | <OftenFaded> | you clarified packages as apps, but I thought the wizards preferred the term packages in this context? |
| 2025-04-29 00:56:33 | <geekosaur> | the core components are also packages |
| 2025-04-29 00:56:58 | <geekosaur> | apps don't launch the core components automatically (usually) |
| 2025-04-29 00:58:11 | <geekosaur> | in particular, most apps will allow any component to provide the services they need, so they can be run under other desktop managers. this is not usually true of core components (except in lxde) |
| 2025-04-29 00:59:24 | <geekosaur> | in this context, "package" is generally a distribution thing that is unrelated to how desktop environment components relate to each other |
| 2025-04-29 01:09:52 | <OftenFaded> | This makes sense. I thought apps were to be moreso considered as collections of packages I guess |
| 2025-04-29 01:20:12 | <geekosaur> | occasionally they are, but usually that means the main app and plugins |
| 2025-04-29 01:34:39 | <OftenFaded> | last stupid question(for today): How do you good folks navigate/monitor your workspaces without a bar? |
| 2025-04-29 01:35:55 | <geekosaur> | for years I just used a convention (actually I still use it to some extent: terminals on 1, editor on 2, mail on 3…) |
| 2025-04-29 01:38:01 | <OftenFaded> | I guess an intuitive convention is all that's needed ultimately--I didn't even consider that |
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| 2025-04-29 03:41:15 | <Digit> | huh. did not know it's been hard to use a different wm with kde4+. shows how long it's been since i did. |
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